Whm/Sch... which will get BiS?

[Alexia89]

So with the announcement that tome gear will not be the same iLvL as new coil gear, I got to wondering....

If the Allagan gear is anything like previous coils gear, one of the healing classes is going to be screwed over for stats.
As it stands majority of SCH's current BiS is tome gear. If the new Allagan does not yield a decent level of crit, but the NEW tome gear does- it sets SCH's up for either suffering lower level gear and thus less mind or suffering from a lack of crit and taking the higher iLvL.

Vice versa- if the new Allagan gear is more crit focused than last coils... poor WHMs!
The beauty of tome gear and coil gear being same iLvL was CHOICES. Being able to focus on getting the stats you desire rather than just taking whats handed to you.
Thoughts?

[OmegaSinX]

I'm sure they will keep it balance in the end. And Most likely priortize in MND and PIE which both healers benefit from. Although SCH Benefits more from Crit than WHM, I never heard a WHM say "I hate all this crit". Im willing to bet the 110 gear will most likey have MND PIE DET AND CRIT. Thoses stats are the best for Both Healers.

[Alexia89]

This would make me more than happy xD

[Airikay]

I'm sure they will keep it balance in the end. And Most likely priortize in MND and PIE which both healers benefit from. Although SCH Benefits more from Crit than WHM, I never heard a WHM say "I hate all this crit". Im willing to bet the 110 gear will most likey have MND PIE DET AND CRIT. Thoses stats are the best for Both Healers.

So so wrong. Crit in no way benefits a WHM. Its terrible. All it creates is over heals and extra aggro. Whm gets no special procs from crits. The best stat that would be for both healers is det, because both healers can benefit from higher base heals. Currently though its 5 Det/3 SS/2 Crit pieces. They really need to add reforging, customizable last stat.

[Vid]

Although I do agree that the current Allagan set favors Det more then Crit, it also makes it so pie is the other secondary stat on every single piece, take a look:

Weapon - Speed & Pie
Head - Det & Pie
Chest - Det & Pie
Hands - Crit & Pie
Waist - Speed & Pie
Legs - Crit & Pie
Feet - Speed & Pie
Neck - Det & Pie
Ears - Det & Pie
Wrists - Speed & Pie
Ring - Det & Pie

Leaving us with a total of:

5 Pieces with Det
4 Pieces with Speed
2 Pieces with Crit
All pieces with Pie

So the new pieces from Coil may be a mixture just like these, hopefully more balanced. However this also raises another point. The Relic +2 so to speak, was said to eventually have stats you could change into basically whatever you wanted. So if you want Det+Pie you could have it, or Det+Crit, or whatever combination you prefer. It makes me wonder if the new coil gear will eventually have the same option.

Mind is still the #1 stat over the others, even going from ilvl 80 gear to ilvl90 the mind added makes more of a difference then the measly amount of det, speed, or crit you lose on that particular piece. We'll be going from ilvl 100 with the new tomestones to ilvl 110 with the new coil gear, and you'll pretty much want to upgrade due to the increased mind. Not to mention who knows how much HP we'll want at the end-game. Personally speaking though, full ilvl90 gear now (with the allagan weapon) puts me at 4200+ with just the party Vit buff and no food. Which is just enough to survive a fireball from Twin. So I get the feeling you'll need all the coil gear you can get regardless of secondary stats.

[Rbstr]

As long as it's not a ton of spell speed I won't care much.

Though it if doesn't have a ton of spell speed, unless fights get much longer, there's not much reason to have more PIE (a WHM viewpoint at least). With the extra ilvl you can probably squeeze the pie needed into like two fewer pieces of gear that could then be Det/Crit. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Or, I suppose damage could be so much higher you have to use CureII a lot more even with the mind/det you get. But then you need a whole boatload more pie that probably wouldn't happen.

[Heofonum]

I would definitely keep an eye on SS. Don't be so hasty in discarding it.

[NintenPyjak64]

I would definitely keep an eye on SS. Don't be so hasty in discarding it.

This.
Though I find one thing about the community hilarious.
People who favor Spell Speed don't bash on Det, but people who favor Det constantly bashes on Spell Speed. Both are just as viable as the other because they both suck equally. Though I will agree Crit is beyond terrible for WHM. Kills me when I see people with that Omnirod...

I love Spell Speed, because I prefer speed over power in general

[OmegaSinX]

So so wrong. Crit in no way benefits a WHM. Its terrible. All it creates is over heals and extra aggro. Whm gets no special procs from crits. The best stat that would be for both healers is det

As if threat is even an issue since 2.1. Unless ur spamming your cure, a crit means less mp your spending to get the tank back to full health. And tell me crits are useless after your tank eats a death sentence or wicked wheel.

ofcourse it benefits whm. . If healer share the allagan 2gear they will need to make at least 50/50. Wouldnt be fair for either if its benefit one class more.

[Zaft]

As if threat is even an issue since 2.1. Unless ur spamming your cure, a crit means less mp your spending to get the tank back to full health. And tell me crits are useless after your tank eats a death sentence or wicked wheel.

ofcourse it benefits whm. . If healer share the allagan 2gear they will need to make at least 50/50. Wouldnt be fair for either if its benefit one class more.

Death Sentence comes every 3 plummets, which comes every 3 auto attacks. Wicked Wheel comes 4 seconds after Friction. If your tank doesn't have both Stoneskin and Adlo for those attacks, your healers are dropping the ball.

Crits are unreliable and generally unneeded. If you NEED a crit somewhere, you've screwed up.