Whm/Sch... which will get BiS?

[Jamez82]

I've always looked at crits for whm as a type of safety cushion. Not needed unless you mess something up which is bound to happen at some point but there's other things to focus on first.

[Velox]

People also fail to realize that stats are like classes, and can be freely buffed and needed when the developer feels it's necessary. What you call BiS today might be totally useless in the future. And rest assured, from a developer's point of view, if there is a stat that seems lackluster compared to the rest, it will be buffed.

[JonFarron]

I am telling you a crit is useless after a death sentence and wicked wheel, yes. A well timed cure 2 and lustrate raises our tank right back to full health. Without me critting. You can't count on crits too happen and there is no proc benefit. I use 0 crit gear as do most WHM who do endgame that have what they consider BiS. Most will pick cleric hands over Allagan hands and Allagan belt over hero. I'm seeing you in DL and figuring you have no real endgame experience as a WHM.

Also, aggro goes simply beyond ripping hate off a tank. It also goes with where I'm placed in aggro list. Certain abilities targets certain players on aggro list. I don't even want to be 2nd or third in most cases. Which I think you don't understand at all. Unless you think WHM get no aggro all of a sudden with healing since 2.1? Which lol @ you if so

Edit: I understand it'd be fair to split 50/50, half crit and half det. My original point is you were saying all crit would benefit both, which is the furthest thing from the truth. You tried claiming WHM don't turn away from crit, which for most is also furthest thing from the truth.

I'm SCH BiS. As a result, my WHM has all the crit accessories and the Allagan gloves. I LOVE the crit on WHM . It really really helps in mana conservation, and with Shroud on constant CD, aggro is hardly a problem. Solo healing is also a lot easier. 2200 Cure III crits during Titan HM tumults are amazing. 1/4 heals seems to crit for me, and a Cure I with a crit is perfectly capable of completely topping of a DPS from half health. I also can't tell you how many times a Cure II crit has saved the tank.

[Zaft]

Haha, really?

I've just been doing it by feel for the most part. ~30 seconds from the last DS? Stoneskin. In P2 onward, replace with: no infirmity on the tank? Stoneskin. In P5, as I sprint terrified from Liquid Hell spam, replace with: Benediction as DS hits and PRAY.

Yep! It can be slightly pushed back by Fireball, so just be aware of that. Also, on P2, you've got pretty much the right idea actually. His last plummet will be the only plummet done when the tank does NOT have infirmity. So if you lose track of the counting, and you notice his infirmity has worn off, you'll know that the next plummet heralds a Death Sentence. For P3, I use swift-stoneskin or swift-adlo if I'm running away from Liquid Hells and a Death Sentence is soon to land.

[Gilcris]

Vice versa- if the new Allagan gear is more crit focused than last coils... poor WHMs!
The beauty of tome gear and coil gear being same iLvL was CHOICES. Being able to focus on getting the stats you desire rather than just taking whats handed to you.
Thoughts?

I think that it is fine if they want to make actual raid gear the highest item level gear in the game and, yes, better than tome gear. You figure, someone who has it is wearing a badge saying "I faced the hardest content in the game", versus "I mark capped for a couple weeks". That said, I agree that choices are important for optimal play, as right now with healers, the importance of secondary stats varies greatly. I think actual raids have always needed more loot. They need to drop more and the table needs to be larger. My point is that Tome gear doesn't have to be only alternative to raid gear; there can be multiple alternatives within raid gear and frankly, I'd prefer that.

[Chronos]

Looking at the patch notes, it looks like the i100 tome gear can be upgraded to i110. Still giving you the option of gearing outside of coil(probably) but making it a bit harder to do so.

So itemization will still be here. New BiS lists incoming.

[Zoeila]

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[Delvish]

XIVDB.com has the new items up. Filtering SCH items by piece. It is looking like High Allagan (HA) pieces are VIT, MND, PIE, DET, and ACC. (yes, accuracy on the i100+ items). Daystar gear on the other hand is VIT, MND, PIE, CRIT, and ACC. Both are i110 with equivalent DEF, VIT, MND, and ACC. From the looks of it, HA will be WHM and Daystar will be SCH, unless the SCH wants more DET.

With regards to weapons, HA will be the weapon of choice again for SCH. Not only is it i115, but it also has CRIT instead of SSp. WHM on the other hand has to choose between the i115 HA with SSp or the i110 Yagrush with DET. HA obviously wins out in the end, but Yagrush is not a terrible second.

Accessories will need a bit more time to sort through, though it seems HA and Daystar are both i110.

[Bitte]

There are actually some HA accessories with crit! looks like it's about half and half.

[Tranquil]

From what I understand, high allagan is 110, then the soldiery-based equipment is i100 by default, being "weathered". You then can make this weathered stuff non-weathered and i110. So basically, BiS will be a combination of high allagan and your upgraded weathered-gear, which seems to require an item called "sands of time" (and the weathered piece). I assume "sands of time" will be a Coil boss drop? (As to not hand out i110 gear without doing the harder content).

Looks very interesting at any rate, with the scholar's weapon progression being: High allagan (115) > Book of Diamonds (110) > Tidalwave Codex/Omnilex Animus (100, both have 20 DET) > Weathered Book of Diamonds (100, it will have spellspeed on it and no DET).

Edit:

On a personal level, I'll be going for the Leviathan EX weapon (Tidal Wave Codex) or the Omnilex Animus - whichever is the faster i100 to achieve. As I am doing this, I will be saving Soldiery tokens for the 3 first weeks, to be able to afford 10 rowena's tokens (soldiery), which is required to buy a Weathered Book of Diamonds, which is required for the i110, non-weathered version of it. (Seems like rowena's tokens of soldiery cost 130 soldiery tomes per token, so that's 1300 = 3 weeks at 450 per week). Even if I did manage to get the Tidal Wave Codex faster than the Animus relic, I will still obviously get the Animus one too, because that won't be its finalized form. T9 will be a pipedream, but something to work towards. That 115 book has great stats. (Well, DET instead of Piety would be nice, but dat Crit).