Honestly, let SE make as much money as they can.

[Yshnal]

To Be Blunt: If you don't like whats going on, then shut up, quit crying, and dont pay. They're not spamming you to buy a retainer.

(this wasn't pointed at you BTW, just saying in general)

They said that they wanted to hear our feedback, and they've already changed quite some things after the community voiced their opinions. This is feedback, so no one has to shut up or quit "crying". When you don't like something and you have reasonable arguments against it, you must make them clear so that things can change. Sitting there silently is bad, both for you and for the company.

Also, voicing our opinions doesn't mean that we're going to buy anything if things doesn't change, but the other way around. So, if SE doesn't listen, not only they aren't going to get some people to buy the extra retainers, but they'll have some unhappy customers that will be more likely to leave the game after that, or after anything else happens (bad things add up).

[Chasely]

I think it's just as messed up as calling people fat and selfish for not indulging corporations. Seriously, this whole cheeseburger and McDonald's defense is moronic. at least McDonald's runs a house helping young mothers and their babies. SE just wants to keep your money for themselves. If you want to donate your money to help people, I recommend a local shelter, animal rescues or the Ronald McDonald House.

[Zwipe]

They said that they wanted to hear our feedback, and they've already changed quite some things after the community voiced their opinions...
...(edit)... that will be more likely to leave the game after that, or after anything else happens (bad things add up).

That's great. I respect your opinion. MY opinion is that people are just being cheap and assuming FFXIV is headed the way of SWTOR. How did I form that opinion? Because if retainers only cost $.01 cent a month, people would not make a huge fuss about it, like they are now. But apparently from what I'm getting is $2.00 a month is enough to make a dent in players' lifes. Because of that, the Cheap Sheep Mob is furious because I don't agree with their fight regarding retainers. I don't mind paying a little something for a little something in exchange. If you can afford a system to play this game, buy this game, and subscribe to this game, I know you can afford 2 bucks a month.
Seriously, let's say retainers only cost $.01 a month, would it really bother you to pay if you really wanted the retainer?
I might side with you guys if were talking about a mortgage or car payment, but 2 bucks? on a luxury?

[Doo]

That's great. I respect your opinion. MY opinion is that people are just being cheap. How did I form that opinion? Because if retainers only cost $.01 cent a month, people would not make a huge fuss about it, like they are now.

Duh because if it was 1 cent it would just be like giving to you for free which would be the same as in game item.

[Zwipe]

Duh because if it was 1 cent it would just be like giving to you for free which would be the same as in game item.

Which proves that it really isn't about the principle everyone is fighting for, its about the money.

[Roris]

Honestly I don't see any reason to get extra retainers or many people who'll actually pay for it unless they actually start actively messing with inventory space to force everyone to pay for them, which would be a really bad practice. Only the most fervent fans will get one or two on the first days of 2.2 to show how much they love the franchise, for bragging rights about how good they feel to have $2 to spare and others don't, for world firsts or to show off the feature or whatever. Then about a month later of course they'll release overinflated numbers saying how 100X the amount of customers that actually got one bought into it and it was a success, just like always.

[ReiszRie]

I'm ok with retainers because as someone who played FFXI for years I'm used to having to pay extra for more storage (I don't plan on buying a retainer either way). I'm ok with Phantasia because it's literally just a paid character recreation/race change service that have been in P2P mmos since pretty much the beginning just with the difference of it being a in-game item you use to trigger it. All that other crap I'm not ok with were never part of mmos until F2P mmos came around and a few P2P companies got big headed and thought they could get away with that on top of charging a subscription. As I've said numerous times it has been proven over the past few years that the very large majority of P2P mmos that have attempted that have failed for it.

The key lies in its implementation.

a monthly subscription does not mean you are entitled to everything in the game such as items (Fantasia) and perks (Extra retainers). a monthly subscription provides you game time for the game you have paid for access to, not for every item and perks released or to be released, I don't consider that as double-dipping.

Collector's Edition being sold at a premium and giving the rewards of several unique in-game item that others do not have access to but everyone seems perfectly fine with it, that illustrates the point I was trying to make.

[ReiszRie]

Which proves that it really isn't about the principle everyone is fighting for, its about the money.

QFT.

Indeed

[Doo]

Which proves that it really isn't about the principle everyone is fighting for, its about the money.

It doesn't prove anything because 01. wouldn't be considered a cash shop. People are against the idea of cash shops/Pay for advantage in a p2p game.

[ReiszRie]

That would make even more obvious that either they don't know how to manage their cash flow, or they're simply trying to take advantage of their subscriber base asking them to pay for something that can be paid with the profits that they get from the subs (and that they lie when they say that they want happy players/customers). Not to mention that doing it the right way (that's it, not making us pay a sub on top of a sub when it shouldn't be needed) would benefit everyone, so I don't really understand why some people are so stubborn defending them. It's not that hard to grasp, really, and we've said a thousand times already that the issue is with why (the whole context), not how much (2$ is nothing).

If you really want to gift them some money then, by all means, go and buy 50 copies of the game and leave everyone else to play a proper P2P game without cash shop crap.

And what you're missing here is how a monthly subscription gives you game time for a game and in no way does that ever mean "you get all items and perks, current or in the future for free!"

I don't understand why some people insists that a monthly subscription equates to having everything for free! when even in reality we have numerous services that we pay subscription to and we don't get everything for free