Why are they nerfing content already?

[Artemed]

Isnt large enough skill curve towards endgame. Just because SE handing out easy content like this still doesn't mean they will get any better as a gamer or even learn to play there game correctly. When they go out and buy Dark souls they dont even come outta there bed anymore cus its too scary.

So many players from XI have actually outsmarted the devs, like the devs didnt know players were claiming Sandworm on time.... lol they designed something and didnt know how the spawn rate/timers/locations/placeholders worked.

Could somebody translate this please, because I'm trying to make sense of this comment, but its either missing words in places that needs them or I need to start drinking.

[Fendred]

Because they were not done developing the end game. We didn't have much of an end game to begin with due to the short time they had to rebuild a massive MMORPG. A lot of things are a little less than what the developers probably wanted from the start. Also, it would be difficult to make the next raids relevant without a gear or power increase. I'm all for horizontal progression, and I'm a fan that regularly asks for more open world content and story content, but the current end game still needs some more depth to it, and so I'm glad that they are adding stuff in. Adding a buff in order to allow players to get through the older content is a much better solution than nerfing the older content, since it was easier to implement and preserves the original challenge.

[Dyvid]

It's that there isn't a lot of content right now, so speeding people through what's already there doesn't make sense. I'd rather level an alt through content that's as challenging as it ever was than speed through it because things have been nerfed.

And I realize you can turn it off, but it's like the buff that happened for ICC during Wrath of the Lich King. Maybe .1% of people turned it off once it was made available. Once it's there, it's there.

So I notice you just bought the game.... how's Titan HM coming along using duty finder?

The echo buff is better than I expected because it not an auto 50% buff at first. In fact you'll start the battle with no buff and original challenge, and slow get stronger based on how many wipes. This is a great compromise instead of the normal across the board content nerf.

[saber_alter]

It's your fault.

Don't take me wrong! Not because of "X" kind of player or anything.

You.

*slowly claps*

[Traek]

I was thinking this earlier. I figure people will flame, but in reality it is odd that SE is making old content *irrelevant* already. How long have people been complaining about lack of content, and needing more endgame? Now that we get new content and more endgame added, they are removing old content from our radar. It would have been nice to continue on as is, and have a step system for people to work up to the 'current' endgame. Instead, even the newbloods are being pushed right into it.

This all makes sense with an expansion, but just a patch it seems rather odd. Instead of having quite a breadth of content to keep everyone busy, we are going to have the same number of EX primals/Coil/lockouts as before. They could have kept it all the same, nerfed T5 a little so more casual groups cleared, and released all this great stuff.

I know I'm ranting, sorry. Just seems a shame to waste all this current good content newer/casual could still be enjoying.

[HeroSamson]

So? I mean they did it in FFXI so that new players could beat old content to catch up to existing old players who have beaten most of the content.

If you wanna blame someone blame the ones who kick out people who wanna beat content but cant because elite players want only the best people in the run and cause the ones who wanna get where you are but cant because they get shoved back.

Makes me wonder, I bet you want the players who don't do very well not to catch up so you don't have to deal with them trying to join your party, kinda making sense now.

[Artemed]

So? I mean they did it in FFXI so that new players could beat old content to catch up to existing old players who have beaten most of the content.

If you wanna blame someone blame the ones who kick out people who wanna beat content but cant because elite players want only the best people in the run and cause the ones who wanna get where you are but cant because they get shoved back.

Makes me wonder, I bet you want the players who don't do very well not to catch up so you don't have to deal with them trying to join your party, kinda making sense now.

It's not that at all. There have been complaints that there is a severe lack of content. The obvious answer to this is not make the current content completely irrelevant this soon in the game. There is a new tier of gear coming and the current myth gear is basically becoming the new darklight. That alone should be enough of a boost to get past the small hurdle some have, unless they are completely incompetent. They don't need to nerf content on top of that.

As for the elitist crap, that can be several things, and not going to lie, there are some serious asses out there that need a good smack with a blunt instrument, but there are people out there who just want to group with competent people, and you can't blame them for that. A bad player can screw up things to the point that certain content just becomes impossible to complete, and honestly, this game just seems to keep letting those bad players stay bad because given enough time, the developers will nerf the content so that even a mouth breather can clear it. Hurdles need to exist so there is a bit of punishment for a failure, because its failures that let us learn and improve ourselves, making us better players in the long run. It's pretty much the same argument as when fate grinding was the norm, it just bred a group of players who were max level yet didn't have a damn clue how to play their class in a group environment.

[Musashidon]

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no fates didn't but you can keep telling yourself that.

making content easier will let players who normally couldn't do the content to be able to do it, but after it's pointless, there is no lack of content there is lack of grinding.

but alot of players don't want grinding so in the end it's considered lack of content because we don't have to spend a month in ak and wp grinding then going to the next two dungeons and grinding another month and so on and so furth, this buff affects players in no way because you only have to do titan hm once (if you only have 1 lvl 50 you wanna relic) be it buffed or not that primal is worthless now that you beat it once.

[Mikara]

I'm going to share my experience here with you all on why I think nerfing (not talking about the stupid echo buff) the current content is not the greatest idea ever.

I decided to do a random duty roulette the other day (I got bored, go figure) and got AK, I was on tank, I had a whm, a brd, and a mnk. The brd I wasn't concerned about, his gear was decent (no best of the best, but good enough for Pharos so more than enough for AK) the mnk was subpar gear, but I figured the brd would make up for it anyways and the whm, well, whatever, as long as I do my job we really don't have to worry about the whm... Right?? WRONG.

It all went bad as soon as we got to the first boss, the brd was pulling his weight, no problem. The mnk however, whatever was the shortest distance to the target, that was where he would stand for the WHOLE fight, the only way for him to do decent DPS would have been for me to manually spin the mob for him to get his combos correct. The whm, I'm pretty sure esuna wasn't even on his bar, but we survived and moved on. On we moved to Demon wall, complete failure which turned into 2 wipes and when we won, it was only me and the brd that were still alive (this was after trying to teach them where to move and what to do to not get flung off the side in a polite manner).

We end the story at the final encounter of AK. I inform the group "please do not attack the boss / heal me / anything until I have the boss in position just to make sure the pull goes smoothly" (the brd messed this up once, but it was all good, we all make mistakes). The mnk, shortest distance to the boss for him was standing pretty much right on top of me, dead within 5 seconds. After he got raised, next closest spot was right on the dragons foot, dead again. Insert first Imminent Catastrophe. Brd takes off to murder add, whm is standing in the correct spot... Laser right on whm, I tell him to move 3 times, but he can't because he is spending every ounce of MP healing me through disease because of lack of esuna on his bar(I can only assume). First wipe, we get back to the room, and I explain that you need to remove disease as it reduces healing potency and that if you get a laser on your face, you need to run away until the ball pops up, then you can come back. See the story of first wipe, for the third and fourth wipe, you can also read the story of the first wipe. At this point, I'm obviously frustrated but what can I do? Explain in even more detail? I don't think any amount of explaining I could have done would have helped. Rage? Yeah, but then I could get reported for harassment. AFK? No, I don't want to get kicked on the last boss. Pull again? Sure, why not. Wipe 2 more times, and thankfully the whm leaves followed shortly after by the mnk.

In the end, I called in a FC member and we got the win with about 10 minutes left on the clock.

TL;DR Nerfing content just to "push people through the content faster" is not always a good thing. If you don't have some sort of learning curve you will wind up with healers that are doing the exact same thing they learned in FATE grinding (nothing) or DD that can't execute a proper rotation in your end game parties. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be in a turn 6 party trying to teach a full i90+ person the basics of their job because they walked their way through the game having their hand held the entire way.

[Musashidon]

TL;DR Nerfing content just to "push people through the content faster" is not always a good thing. If you don't have some sort of learning curve you will wind up with healers that are doing the exact same thing they learned in FATE grinding (nothing) or DD that can't execute a proper rotation in your end game parties. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be in a turn 6 party trying to teach a full i90+ person the basics of their job because they walked their way through the game having their hand held the entire way.

people learn what they want from content, be it easy or hard if a player refuses to learn that is the players fault not the games.
me? if i want a successful group i will do what i can to help be it rotations or more.