Why are they nerfing content already?

[Assirra]

So I notice you just bought the game.... how's Titan HM coming along using duty finder?

The echo buff is better than I expected because it not an auto 50% buff at first. In fact you'll start the battle with no buff and original challenge, and slow get stronger based on how many wipes. This is a great compromise instead of the normal across the board content nerf.

Lets be completely honest here, this is how it will go in the start of 99% of the groups.
"People just die quickly a couple times we get Echo buff and faceroll our way to victory"
As someone that joined a little over a month ago this basically takes my chances away to do stuff like ex primals the way they were designed.

[Dyvid]

Lets be completely honest here, this is how it will go in the start of 99% of the groups.
"People just die quickly a couple times we get Echo buff and faceroll our way to victory"
As someone that joined a little over a month ago this basically takes my chances away to do stuff like ex primals the way they were designed.

Well if the community exploits the system in this way, the devs will adjust it. Would you just prefer they nerf the actually content instead or give you a slightly increasing buff that can be removed?

[Stanelis]

to help new players get to the newer stuff faster, if you already completed it why are you complaining than.

I 'm affected because when I ll be rolling the duty finder roulette to farm my new currency I'll possibly end up in AK and sirius and end up falling asleep out of boredom because of the nerf.

I'm affected because due to the drastic increase in bcoil 2 ilvl I'll outgear bcoil 1 very quickly and won't have anything to farm outside of the new raids each weeks. Eventually, I'll only be playing one evening per week and will have to go play another games on the others like I'm currently doing.

Also, completing bcoil1 didn't have to be a requirement to enter bcoil2, it's SE who made it that way (plus newer players who didn't farm coil 1 wouldn't miss anything as the AF2 will be acquired thanks to the mythological stones, which won't have a weekly cap anymore).

[Kyousha]

The first expansion isn't even out yet. There's no point in doing challenging content when they nerf it before it's completely outdated.

Really, really bad sign for the direction the game is going to take imo.

Please look forward to it.

All joking aside, you're forgetting your roots of this game: A player must work from level 1 to 50, then practice difficult dungeons and become better at their job/s. So, there is a point in doing ALL challenging content. If you have a problem with the system, the odds are the you're just impatient and need to gtfo. Because impatience never did anyone any good. Now log in and enjoy the game with other players. ...and take breaks from grinding shit!

[Fendred]

Because they were not done developing the end game. We didn't have much of an end game to begin with due to the short time they had to rebuild a massive MMORPG. A lot of things are a little less than what the developers probably wanted from the start. Also, it would be difficult to make the next raids relevant without a gear or power increase. I'm all for horizontal progression, and I'm a fan that regularly asks for more open world content and story content, but the current end game still needs some more depth to it, and so I'm glad that they are adding stuff in. Adding a buff in order to allow players to get through the older content is a much better solution than nerfing the older content, since it was easier to implement and preserves the original challenge.

[Traek]

I was thinking this earlier. I figure people will flame, but in reality it is odd that SE is making old content *irrelevant* already. How long have people been complaining about lack of content, and needing more endgame? Now that we get new content and more endgame added, they are removing old content from our radar. It would have been nice to continue on as is, and have a step system for people to work up to the 'current' endgame. Instead, even the newbloods are being pushed right into it.

This all makes sense with an expansion, but just a patch it seems rather odd. Instead of having quite a breadth of content to keep everyone busy, we are going to have the same number of EX primals/Coil/lockouts as before. They could have kept it all the same, nerfed T5 a little so more casual groups cleared, and released all this great stuff.

I know I'm ranting, sorry. Just seems a shame to waste all this current good content newer/casual could still be enjoying.

[HeroSamson]

So? I mean they did it in FFXI so that new players could beat old content to catch up to existing old players who have beaten most of the content.

If you wanna blame someone blame the ones who kick out people who wanna beat content but cant because elite players want only the best people in the run and cause the ones who wanna get where you are but cant because they get shoved back.

Makes me wonder, I bet you want the players who don't do very well not to catch up so you don't have to deal with them trying to join your party, kinda making sense now.

[Artemed]

So? I mean they did it in FFXI so that new players could beat old content to catch up to existing old players who have beaten most of the content.

If you wanna blame someone blame the ones who kick out people who wanna beat content but cant because elite players want only the best people in the run and cause the ones who wanna get where you are but cant because they get shoved back.

Makes me wonder, I bet you want the players who don't do very well not to catch up so you don't have to deal with them trying to join your party, kinda making sense now.

It's not that at all. There have been complaints that there is a severe lack of content. The obvious answer to this is not make the current content completely irrelevant this soon in the game. There is a new tier of gear coming and the current myth gear is basically becoming the new darklight. That alone should be enough of a boost to get past the small hurdle some have, unless they are completely incompetent. They don't need to nerf content on top of that.

As for the elitist crap, that can be several things, and not going to lie, there are some serious asses out there that need a good smack with a blunt instrument, but there are people out there who just want to group with competent people, and you can't blame them for that. A bad player can screw up things to the point that certain content just becomes impossible to complete, and honestly, this game just seems to keep letting those bad players stay bad because given enough time, the developers will nerf the content so that even a mouth breather can clear it. Hurdles need to exist so there is a bit of punishment for a failure, because its failures that let us learn and improve ourselves, making us better players in the long run. It's pretty much the same argument as when fate grinding was the norm, it just bred a group of players who were max level yet didn't have a damn clue how to play their class in a group environment.

[Musashidon]

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no fates didn't but you can keep telling yourself that.

making content easier will let players who normally couldn't do the content to be able to do it, but after it's pointless, there is no lack of content there is lack of grinding.

but alot of players don't want grinding so in the end it's considered lack of content because we don't have to spend a month in ak and wp grinding then going to the next two dungeons and grinding another month and so on and so furth, this buff affects players in no way because you only have to do titan hm once (if you only have 1 lvl 50 you wanna relic) be it buffed or not that primal is worthless now that you beat it once.

[Artemed]

no fates didn't but you can keep telling yourself that.

making content easier will let players who normally couldn't do the content to be able to do it, but after it's pointless, there is no lack of content there is lack of grinding.

but alot of players don't want grinding so in the end it's considered lack of content because we don't have to spend a month in ak and wp grinding then going to the next two dungeons and grinding another month and so on and so furth, this buff affects players in no way because you only have to do titan hm once (if you only have 1 lvl 50 you wanna relic) be it buffed or not that primal is worthless now that you beat it once.

Learning how to beat content counts as grinding now? When the hell did this happen? The hell happened to this generation of gamers?