Over-healing should not generate extra threat

[Dale]

Then tell your tank to grab aggro better and don't put regen on a full HP tank. :/

I hate to say this, but this is one of the silliest things I have read on these forums in a while. Don't use a HoT on the tank when they have full HP? Did you just really say that?

I don't think you understand the concept of a healing over time spell. It is used to preempt damage. Not to mention it lingers after a fight is over and it's unreasonable in my opinion anyway to expect the tank to have to take the time to cancel all of his HoT effects before the pulls again.

If the spell doesn't restore any life then it shouldn't create any threat. Simple as that.

[Decrith]

The drawback of this "no extra threat from overhealing" is it will encourage a less responsible type of playstyle, this will cause healers to spam healing without thinking of the consequences. Besides, WHMs have shrouds to reduce threat and SCH doesn't even generate enough to be a problem (seriously I've tried to steal aggro from a tank with a SCH, it's really hard)

[Mycow8me]

Then tell your tank to grab aggro better and don't put regen on a full HP tank. :/

Your assuming a one case scenario. When doing SR for example a tank will run to the next mob directly after a fight and usually be at full hp before then with regen still going. Tanks do not have a ranged AOE hate grab ability. They usually go in and either flash or overpower and by then the mobs can be split apart or moving at the healer already from detection agro.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is a problem worth fixing. It's mostly just annoying.

[Kayo]

I don't know who thought this idea up on the SE development team, but it was a bad decision. Tanking and healing on this game is tricky enough - especially considering how so many people who play this game are in such a rush they demand the tank grab half the dungeon at a time.

Heals should only generate threat if they actually restore health.

Please change this.

Nah, dont agree. Overhealing is something healers should try not to do. Its a waste of mana, and now has a little extra incentive to not do it and get better at timing your heals. /shrug

Not a big deal anyway, I doubt healers will be pulling aggro all over the place now.

[Dale]

The drawback of this "no extra threat from overhealing" is it will encourage a less responsible type of playstyle, this will cause healers to spam healing without thinking of the consequences. Besides, WHMs have shrouds to reduce threat and SCH doesn't even generate enough to be a problem (seriously I've tried to steal aggro from a tank with a SCH, it's really hard)

Spamming heals is a waste of MP. That alone is plenty of consequence.

But healers shouldn't be scared to use their heals either because their tank may take off to grab another pull while all of their HoTs are up and those massive 0 hp cures are creating all kinds of threat. It's just silly, and defies common sense. I've never played a game where healing someone for 0 creates lots of threat.

[Dale]

Nah, dont agree. Overhealing is something healers should try not to do. Its a waste of mana, and now has a little extra incentive to not do it and get better at timing your heals. /shrug

Not a big deal anyway, I doubt healers will be pulling aggro all over the place now.

It's not a waste of mana. Over-healing when using HoTs for example can actually conserve mana.

Over-healing is unavoidable on this game... unless you simply don't use half of your spells and heal terribly. The extra threat it causes is just a nuisance, and doesn't do anything but annoy players like me.

Spamming heals needlessly is not the same as over-healing. I think you are confusing two very different concepts.

[AdvancedWind]

That's pretty much the only way a tank can lose hate after 5 seconds with an enemy, so no. We need that.

[Dale]

Yes, I did just say that. Healing over time isn't really used to preempt damage. It's used to counter constant damage like Auto-attack. Shielding (like Stoneskin and Adloqium) is used to preempt damage. It is NOT unreasonable for the tank to remove its lingering effect if they still have it on. I and my tank friends have no problem removing it.

This quote makes no sense to me.

There is always constant damage unless you simply aren't fighting. HoTs are basically like healing buffs meant to, as I said, pre-empt damage and compliment your other heals. So we just disagree about that. You do not cast regen to heal the tank after each auto attack from the mob. No. That is why it has a duration. So you can place it on the tank and pre-empt damage you know to be incoming.

And it may not be unreasonable to you for tanks to have to do it. But it is to me. I feel I should be able to freely use my abilities, such as regen - without feeling as if I am making the tanks job more difficult. It's a dumb mechanic, and they need to fix it.

[Ninix]

I have a better idea

git gud

[Lemuria]

I could make you lose threat easily after 5 seconds into the fight if I wanted to with the crazy threat my 0 heals can cause believe you me

Unlikely, unless your tank sucks. Simple fact is that heals only generated half their restoration in enmity (so if you crit 3k, it's essentially the same as hitting for 1.5k damage), and tanks get aggro bonuses so that a simple 300 damage Halone combo is equivalent to 1500 damage, not including the bonus from Savage Blade.

As both a healer AND a tank, I don't really care much about generating 'extra' threat from overcures. Unless you're stupid, you'll never be able to generate so much as to be in any real danger. Usually the danger comes from new spawns joining the fray. Tank gets healed, so the mobs switch target because the tank hasn't generated any aggro.

Any tank worth their weight will be cancelling regen before dangerous pulls, even in speedruns, and any healer worth their weight will know when to cast and when to wait for the tank to get threat. Do we really need to start holding everyone's hands because they can't play their jobs properly?