Over-healing should not generate extra threat

[Mycow8me]

My only hate in regards to this problem is regen. I can't count how many times a tank will grab hate from 1 mob in a pack of mobs and then all the mobs run at you cause of regen still healing a full hp tank.

[Lemon8or]

My only hate in regards to this problem is regen. I can't count how many times a tank will grab hate from 1 mob in a pack of mobs and then all the mobs run at you cause of regen still healing a full hp tank.

Then tell your tank to grab aggro better and don't put regen on a full HP tank. :/

[EinSoFZ]

Then tell your tank to grab aggro better and don't put regen on a full HP tank. :/

Moreover, a smart tank should know when to click regen off so that the healer doesn't suffer. It's amazing how many tanks will yell at healers for using regen, when they can simply REMOVE IT THEMSELVES.

[Adrian74]

Moreover, a smart tank should know when to click regen off so that the healer doesn't suffer. It's amazing how many tanks will yell at healers for using regen, when they can simply REMOVE IT THEMSELVES.

Well, I'm sorry but had to comment about this, but it's not so easy to remove states by yourself... At least not with a gamepad. Of course I'm a noob that should not comment these kind of things, but... So far only way I know for deleting the states has to be with the mouse, right click, that maybe is easy for a keyboard+ mouse tank... But for tanks like me who use gamepad... Nope, not possible, So far our only way would be... Uhm... Press select many times until the cursor focus in our states and then press unknown button?... Still, it's not so easy.

Saying that... Does someone know of any macro or something for solve that with a nooby-tank that uses gamepad? I'd appreciate it ^^

[AyaneKiwara]

Well, I'm sorry but had to comment about this, but it's not so easy to remove states by yourself... At least not with a gamepad. Of course I'm a noob that should not comment these kind of things, but... So far only way I know for deleting the states has to be with the mouse, right click, that maybe is easy for a keyboard+ mouse tank... But for tanks like me who use gamepad... Nope, not possible, So far our only way would be... Uhm... Press select many times until the cursor focus in our states and then press unknown button?... Still, it's not so easy.

Saying that... Does someone know of any macro or something for solve that with a nooby-tank that uses gamepad? I'd appreciate it ^^

Activate cursor mode and do it that way. Still a hassle. I think its l1 + r3? or r1 + l3... never really use it, so forget

[Ehayte]

Yes, I did just say that. Healing over time isn't really used to preempt damage. It's used to counter constant damage like Auto-attack.

Yes.

On controller, since you're moving with left stick, click select with right hand till you're at the buff section, click circle to cancel and move on.

lol. I don't think you play with a controller. My right hand is usually occupied changing camera angles, targeting new mobs, poping pre-emptive CDs, etc.

Healers - just don't regen pre-pull on anything. Its frickin' instant cast, there is no reason ever to need THAT MUCH healing in the first 2.4 seconds of the fight that you would ever NEED to have regen on. It will happen that a regen is left over from a previous battle, and that's fine - but you can also learn to not regen in the last 6 seconds of a fight.

As per the mechanics of over-healing - its penalized because then healing would be so derp-easy that you could face-roll everything in the game up to and beyond the Relic quest. "Oh you run out of mana anyways!" No you don't. Maybe in Twintanita, Caduceus, X modes, but in any 4 man dungeon you would never run out of mana doing normal trash pulls or most bosses. Also someone mentioned that healing only does 50% enmity of hp healed. Yes, unless its an overheal.

[Chiramu]

Moreover, a smart tank should know when to click regen off so that the healer doesn't suffer. It's amazing how many tanks will yell at healers for using regen, when they can simply REMOVE IT THEMSELVES.

Or a smart healer can run to the tank and a smart tank can take it off of them easier.

[therpgfanatic]

Moreover, a smart tank should know when to click regen off so that the healer doesn't suffer. It's amazing how many tanks will yell at healers for using regen, when they can simply REMOVE IT THEMSELVES.

A lot of us are PS3 players. It's not particularly fast to remove debuffs using the controller system. Especially when you ought to be using defensive buffs or your rotation.

I agree the overhealing generates threat mechanic causes more trouble than it ought to. Regen is a good example. They should at least get rid of the threat generated by HoTs.

OP, don't feel bad. The unfortunate thing is the majority of players who post in forums are the vocal minority who'd prefer a game's mechanics never change because they like to pride themselves on how elite they are at dealing with the bad mechanics. But once the bad mechanic is removed they will act as if it's the greatest change in the world.

[Lemon8or]

A lot of us are PS3 players. It's not particularly fast to remove debuffs using the controller system. Especially when you ought to be using defensive buffs or your rotation.

Please. I play on PC using exclusively controller for fights as well as my friends on PS3. It's not instant but it's easy to do.

As a white mage, I should be able to freely use regen without complicating pulls for a tank. It really is that simple.

As a Paladin, I should be able to freely use Riot Blade cause it looks cool. As a Warrior, I should be able to freely use Storm's Eye combo to do more damage. As a Monk, I should be able to freely use Demolish cause I like the animation. As a Black Mage, I should be able to freely use Blizzard cause I dislike Fire. See how horrible those sound? SE gives the skills to you to use as situation arises, not to freely use it whenever.

[Noahlimits]

Please. I play on PC using exclusively controller for fights as well as my friends on PS3. It's not instant but it's easy to do.

As a Paladin, I should be able to freely use Riot Blade cause it looks cool. As a Warrior, I should be able to freely use Storm's Eye combo to do more damage. As a Monk, I should be able to freely use Demolish cause I like the animation. As a Black Mage, I should be able to freely use Blizzard cause I dislike Fire. See how horrible those sound? SE gives the skills to you to use as situation arises, not to freely use it whenever.

Stop using logic. Oh, but wars should freely use Storm's Eye combo when they have hate to mitigate damage. But yeah, your point stands.