Men in Dresses

[Gilraen]

We can play guess what sex that character is!

He? o.o.... um She is.. Heshe?

Don't we already play this game in regards to lalafell?

[Shioban]

I really don't see what "game quality" is lost by letting people dress their characters how they want. If anything, it improves the quality of the game by giving us more freedom of expression so that we can better make use of a game system.

There are always limitations.

There's a difference between freedom of expression and awkward additions.

Letting men wear dresses isn't exactly a "better use of a game system" it's vanity at most therefore a low priority (as are many other things).
Don't confuse a 'game-sytem' with vanity.

[Parodine]

With all due respect, a large number of players of consider 'vanity' a huge part of MMORPGs. Getting cool loot, looking cool, making your character appear how you want is kind of a paramount system in place.

Your pumpkin mask doesn't look cool to me. In fact, it looks like an awkward addition. But none of that matters, because if you like it, good for you! I don't want a petition to prevent people from wearing them. That's the difference: just because I don't like something, doesn't mean I want to prevent other people from making that choice.

[Shioban]

With all due respect

Don't patronise me.

A large number of players of consider 'vanity' a huge part of MMORPGs. Getting cool loot, looking cool, making your character appear how you want is kind of a paramount system in place.

Your pumpkin mask doesn't look cool to me. In fact, it looks like an awkward addition. But none of that matters, but if you like it, good for you! I don't want a petition to prevent people from wearing them.

I'm not wearing a Pumpkin Mask?



Also, I understand it's vanity, don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of vanity actually, but you've misread the whole point.

Yet again I have to explain that this would be a controversial vanity addition, therefore as much as it would 'express freedom'.

Whether it's seen as bigoted or oppressing that men can't choose to wear dresses is at the express opinion of the developers, its their game at the end of the day and any damages caused by doing so would be their fault.

If you think for even a moment that this addition wouldn't be the spark of a problem for Square Enix, think again. As a very very large company ANYTHING seen as controversial has to be approached VERY carefully, something Yoshi-P himself stated.

You're wearing a pumpkin mask on my screen...



But that's neither here nor there. I wasn't actually being patronizing in that comment, I think you're probably just a bit hyper-defensive after some of the posts in this thread.

My example was to illustrate how truly arbitrary all these lines being drawn actually are. The controversy wouldn't exist at all if more people adopted a more care-free attitude. We're fantasy characters in a game that lets men and women wear bondage outfits (the colliseum armors) for crying outloud, where men can wear bright pink robes, but a 'real' dress is going to push the game over the edge? I don't see that happening.

Call it hyer-defensive if you wish, but the lines aren't arbitary. They exist, or we wouldn't have a 20+ page thread about it.
People clearly feel strongly enough about it to agree or disagree.

Saying "Well why doesn't everyone just get along and be happy and care-free", but thats just not the society we live in is it?
Or this thread wouldn't exist in the first place, and you'd be planning your summer wardrobe of upcoming cocktail dresses in XIV for your male characters.

"With all due respect" is usually used as a not-so-subtle method of patronising, at least in the UK.

It's not really about a care-free attitude. It's about boundaries, which in life do exist. There is a limit on what people will expect and what the developers will intend to do.
Without boundaries I can assure you this game would be very different (See TERA for examples of armour).

The colour of your armour (such as dying a robe pink) is vastly different from a long-frill-cut-corset-dress such as the one in the OP. It's a world of difference. Comparing a robe to a dress like that is like saying "Well, why would I use glass for my windows when I can use corrugated steel instead!"
The development team will add it if they feel it fits, or that a large enough portion of the community demand in (As with anything)

I yet again simply stated the reasons why they probably won't do it.

I did NOT say that they won't do it.

[Azurymber]

My issue is not about what gender people are. It about making everything bland.... imagine if every whm dresses like Paladin? all chainmail and heavy metals etc... and Paladin wear gear like Blackmage...

Hey its fantasy, they should not lock jobs with AFs and job specific looks, i want my Monk to look like Behemoth! make it happen SE.

"freedom to wear ANYTHING" at the cost of game quality?

I don't know about you i like my game diverse, not anything for everybody. This game is already bland as hell, every player and their class look like each other, now lets mix male and female clothing, so it becomes unrecognizable to see what it is by looking at it..

We can play guess what sex that character is!

He? o.o.... um She is.. Heshe?

Your point is unrealistic though. Gaia online lets you wear whatever you want. And you rarely see any 2 people who look alike. The current system is more likely to result in ppl looking the same than a "wear what you want" system. For example, if there are only 2 good looking armor sets for whm, ppl playing whm will mostly wear those sets. If you can choose from -all- sets int he game, everyone will mix and match things to create their own "unique" looks that represent -them-

Further I don't see how someone's sex matters to you. If someone came up to you irl or ingame and you didn't know if it was a girl or a boy, why would you feel the need to figure it out?

[Taruranto]

Don't patronise me.



I'm not wearing a Pumpkin Mask?



Also, I understand it's vanity, don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of vanity actually, but you've misread the whole point.


Yet again I have to explain that this would be a controversial vanity addition, therefore as much as it would 'express freedom'.

Whether it's seen as bigoted or oppressing that men can't choose to wear dresses is at the express opinion of the developers, its their game at the end of the day and any damages caused by doing so would be their fault.

If you think for even a moment that this addition wouldn't be the spark of a problem for Square Enix, think again. As a very very large company ANYTHING seen as controversial has to be approached VERY carefully, something Yoshi-P himself stated.

what if your smn horn makes us uncomfortable because it reminds us of a giant penis

that's controversial too

this is sarcasm for those who don't get it


It's a freaking fantasy game with half-naked cat girls and innuendos every 5 steps, let people wear what they want.

[mbncd]

I'm not wearing a Pumpkin Mask?

Going way off topic here but I see you as wearing a white pumpkin mask too. Odd o.O

[Adrian74]

Almost twenty pages of posts in this thread... I didn't read more than the first page, but I think that... The rest of the pages are clearly skipable.

[Kirinichibon]

This thread is a wreck. I can't look away. @.@

I can't believe someone said that personal identity isn't a right. It's the only right we have. And there is so much misinformation here about gender, sex and sexuality I can't tell who is trolling.

[Gethyn]

I feel like, this is probably going to be handled like the crafting gear is- it'll be the same piece of gear, but the girls will put it on and magically wear a Jane Austen dress, and the guys will wear a fancy suit or something.

(On a side note, why do I as a female get a garter belt and stockings on my linen crafting gear? Do they help me craft better? O.o)