Are the names for Elder Staff and Omnirod mixed up?

[XanderOlivieri]

Those responding that XIV has its own lore, you're correct. For instance, if in Eorzea, Black Mages used staves primarily, and White Mages used rods, this name swap would not be wholly unreasonable. However, this is simply not the case. Just like in every past FF, including FF3, Black Mages use rods, and White Mages use staves, it's clear that the naming is wholly nonsensical.

Except, both White Mages and Black Mages can use both Staves and Rods in Eorzean Lore. Er...nope...Only Black Mage/Thaumaturge use Staves...I mistook Radicals for the Conjurer as Staves for some reason. Both do have at least 1 Rod however, Conjurer/White Mage have like 4, while Thaumaturge/Black Mage have only 1, their Relic Item Stardust Rod.
The signature weapon types for both are:

White Mages: Radicals, Canes, Crooks, and Wands
Black Mages: Staves, Cudgels, Scepters, and Brands

Black Mage's Mog Weapon is also a Staff. So are their PvP Weapons. These weapons may have appeared in FF3, but other than Names, nothing about them has to be a throw back to the games. They were intentionally not designed to be as the FF3 counter parts. Eorzean lore isn't wrong. We didn't write it. We have no right to correct it either when its written as intended. If there were an actual glaring issue they'd be more responsive to fixing the issue, this however isn't the case.

Also with the interview that recently happened, I do believe this falls under the statement made in one of the recent interviews:

Saito:
Yeah, but that's still really tricky. Even if we explained all of this to them, from the perspective of a serious hardcore player, all that person would hear is how we're still going to put a damper on their desire to play more. At the end of the day, you'd still need to look at the whole picture from the service provider's perspective in order to know whether or not you made the right choice. The wishes of each individual player does not always translate to merits for the game.

Individually, is a pet peeve at best. It holds little merit for them to go through and change it just because its a minor annoyance.

I, personally, simply don't care that the names are mixed up. It affects my game play none, and its not an issue worth unsubscribing for. FF3 Elder Staff was for White Mages and Omni Rod is for Black Mages. FFXIV, Elder Staff is for Black Mages and Omni Rod is for White Mages.

[Leira_Raine]

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Same. When I saw the difference, I shrugged and carried on. Never thought names would be such a hot button issue for people @.@

[Jonjon]

I was trying to make some valid common sense points here, there's no reason for you guys to jump on me like this. Internal Release could easily have been named something like "Chi Release", "Mind over Body" or any number of things. But no, their English team made the decision to name it something that sounds a little dirty to a lot of people.

When I first saw you post about internal release I could not fathom what you were referring too. I am pretty dirty minded myself. To illustrate I saw every cave indicator on the 1.0 map screen as phallus shaped and I am at a loss as to how Internal Release is even the slightest bit dirty.

The signature weapon types for both are:
White Mages: Radicals, Canes, Crooks, and Wands
Black Mages: Staves, Cudgels, Scepters, and Brands

Don't forget to add Bows to both, and Daggers to Black Mages.

Back on topic. How does this impact anything? What is the big deal? If this is even an issue for people I think you need to reexamine the game, I am sure you can find bigger flaws and playability inhibitors than the name of a weapon.

[XanderOlivieri]

Don't forget to add Bows to both, and Daggers to Black Mages.

Neither can use Bows and Black Mages can't use Daggers. All of the ones listed are the different weapon types those classes have. I used the Lodestone's database and XIVDB to check. The weapons that Conjurer and White Mages use are the four main ones I listed. Thaumaturges and Black Mages use the four listed. White Mage has 4 listed Rods and Black Mage only has 1. I was just pointing out that the Lore on FFXIV pretty much has Black Mages using Staves which means Elderstaff is appropriate as far as FFXIV is concerned and White Mages have more Rods so Omnirod isn't out of place.

[Jonjon]

Neither can use Bows and Black Mages can't use Daggers. All of the ones listed are the different weapon types those classes have. I used the Lodestone's database and XIVDB to check. The weapons that Conjurer and White Mages use are the four main ones I listed. Thaumaturges and Black Mages use the four listed. White Mage has 4 listed Rods and Black Mage only has 1. I was just pointing out that the Lore on FFXIV pretty much has Black Mages using Staves which means Elderstaff is appropriate as far as FFXIV is concerned and White Mages have more Rods so Omnirod isn't out of place.

I misunderstood your original post. Traditionally in the FF worlds they can. I assumed you were making reference to the realm as a whole.
My apologies

[Elurra]

I think it's clear that the names were inadvertently reversed. This is how it should be, and the names fit perfectly with the weapons.

Elder Staff


Omnirod

[XanderOlivieri]

I think it's clear that the names were inadvertently reversed. This is how it should be, and the names fit perfectly with the weapons.

Elder Staff


Omnirod

There was no accident in switching the names. They were named these ways on purpose. White Mage doesn't use any Staves in FFXIV:ARR. as of yet at least. Staves are only usuable by Thaumaturges and Black Mages. The names are correct as far as the developers of FFXIV care. Thier set lore match the two weapons to the jobs associated. They aren't going to change it no matter how many complaints we make.

If for the most part has been confirmed to not have been a mistake. The only issue is player/fan issues with the renaming.

[Gemma]

There was no accident in switching the names. They were named these ways on purpose. White Mage doesn't use any Staves in FFXIV:ARR. as of yet at least. Staves are only usuable by Thaumaturges and Black Mages. The names are correct as far as the developers of FFXIV care. Thier set lore match the two weapons to the jobs associated. They aren't going to change it no matter how many complaints we make.

If for the most part has been confirmed to not have been a mistake. The only issue is player/fan issues with the renaming.

Uh, whm uses staffs. Thyrus relic is a staff, Madman's Whispering Rod to get relic is a staff. The 2 star weapon is a staff.
Both whm/cnj and blm/thm use staff & wand + shield.

personally I think they should be switched around too, sounds weird the way it is now.

[XanderOlivieri]

Uh, whm uses staffs. Thyrus relic is a staff, Madman's Whispering Rod to get relic is a staff. The 2 star weapon is a staff.
Both whm/cnj and blm/thm use staff & wand + shield.

personally I think they should be switched around too, sounds weird the way it is now.

Madman's Whispering Rod is a Rod. If it were a Staff it be called Madman's Whispering Staff.

Only Conjurers/White Mages use Wands and only Thaumaturges/Black Mages use Staves.
Conjurer and White Mages have no staves listed as their weapons. Only Canes, Crooks, Radicals, and Wands. Thyrus is apparently a Cane or a Crook based on looks.

Names are fine as they are with FFXIV Lore in place.

Have to ask though, what's with the one handed wielding of a denoted two handed weapon for all the Mages?

Honestly, like it or hate it, they aren't changing it. They've already said what we have is correct as it should be.

[Velox]

How about we just say that WHM and BLM can both use staves and rods interchangeably in FFXIV lore and leave it at that.

There, now everyone wins and we can go argue about something that's actually important.