Another "they quit" thread

[ExKage]

Personally I started to play FFXIV because all of my friends were playing it. The player lockouts made it pretty hard to enjoy T1-5 and even Extreme primals with them. They are all much better geared than my main and so the only time I ever did coil with the actual group from my FC is when the 'static' couldn't get a good time set for most of them to do it together. It leaves a player feeling a little like they are just mere left-overs "oh we need a dps slot... eh close enough we can take that one with us for today." The amount of active members in the FC is so small that it can only support 1 static with just a one off or two to rotate when absolutely needed. I've basically pugged coil for the 4 weeks I've been geared for T1-2 (perhaps T4). The player lockouts are only a game mechanic but it sorta reinforces the idea within certain peoples' mindset that "we need to do this with this group and until 2.2 comes out we won't be helping our lesser geared friends to gain experience in coil, they'll just have to pug it"

I joined the Free Company that I am in because I wanted to be with my friends and enjoy the content with them which is sometimes hard to deal with when you're the one going off to pug it. Even once 2.2 comes out, who is to say that those people won't have moved on to trying T6-9 and forgetting about T1-5 and not working that out with their friends either? But the main problem is peoples' attitudes about working with and around the game mechanic than the mechanic itself.

[Ehayte]

...certain peoples' mindset that "we need to do this with this group and until 2.2 comes out we won't be helping our lesser geared friends to gain experience in coil, they'll just have to pug it"

That attitude is what I am dealing with right now and it is grossly unfair to the people in your FC's static group. They probably worked really hard to get Coil on farm like they have it now, what do you want, for your FC's BLM to say, "You know what? I've worked hard and paid my dues, but I'm going to let someone else have the fun, loot, and tomes I've earned for this week." I mean, I could see someone doing that once in a great while, while feeling extra-charitable one evening, but you have to understand that strats get tailor specifically to groups, work is put into those strats and those players, and people want to get out what they put in. Getting a chance at 4 loots from T4/T5 is not a just reward for having figured out how to beat it with your group.

What I am trying to encourage my people in a similar situation to do is to make friends while pugging, generate some interest in your own FC, take the bull by the horns and help your FC leaders get another static going! I know its rough and it seems like they are shutting you out because they are selfish/elitist, but its like of like going to college or vocational school - they worked to get their Coil Farm degree, and it would be extremely silly for them to not put that degree to work to pay them a loot-salary.

[ExKage]

...but you have to understand that strats get tailor specifically to groups, work is put into those strats and those players, and people want to get out what they put in...What I am trying to encourage my people in a similar situation to do is to make friends while pugging, generate some interest in your own FC, take the bull by the horns and help your FC leaders get another static going!

Oh I'd agree it's definitely something that needs to be compromised by those in the statics and those who are catching up. But how do you expect people to gain experience with T4 when it seems so group dependent through Pugging and failing each week? You don't get a feel for a group's composition through pugging and most times the group falls apart by the 3rd wipe. In essence, people should make their own statics and see if perhaps those people can boost the FC themselves by making a group that started with... oh 1 person. Essentially making one's own FC. It's essentially what apparently happened to the OP's FC and their FC(s) broke apart.

That's not what I'm promoting when I say that because I know very much how hard my friends have worked on T1-4 (having been on vent and doing T4 once with them as they tried to get through it) and I don't resent them for wanting to keep that group together. But the way to the least resistance is once you find a group you stick with it. I don't come from any MMORPG experience and certainly not any type of raiding experience, but if I joined up with a group's static, I don't see what the point of the FC is when you're not doing end-game content with them and not just staying in a LS with them.

[L-D-Omlette]

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There are other ways to go about this as well. I've seen FC's that have a static pretty comfortable with a turn split the group in two and each pick up four people to learn the content. If they are off by a member, they'll recruit. Continue this process and not only are more people in your FC getting into content, but you are building a community that allows group members in the FC to swap around teams more easily when people aren't around.

I could argue that those unwilling to break away from statics are the selfish ones. Not that I don't understand, but I could play devils advocate.

[Ehayte]

I could argue that those unwilling to break away from statics are the selfish ones. Not that I don't understand, but I could play devils advocate.

And I would argue that if you put your idea into practice and there are two weeks in a row where the 4 people you bring with you are slow learners or are not skilled, you will start to see a great amount of unrest among your original static members.

Your sentiment is great in a world where the probability of things going smoothing is high. We all know that isn't the world we live in.