Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

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forget this...

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Dont forget, with higher ranks, SP will probably be lowered for the entire party, putting a dampener on the dungeon battles.

not a real deal breaker if you are there for the loots. I don't think anyone will care about their precious SP if they get easy loots. Also, adjusting monsters to the higher rank in your group just promotes NOT having friends helping lower level people while giving a cap does exactly the opposite. it gives the people a chance to help lower level people while not making the challenge non existant.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

If people are mainly complaining about the lack of a cap because it means that rank 50 players will get the gear faster than rank 30 players.... well, I don't really see how to get around this and keep both sides happy- you can't really impose a cap fighting an NM outside of a dungeon and therefore imposing a no drop/low drop after a certain rank in a dungeon is not really fair either.
For example most of my other classes are around 15-20 (only been concentrating on THM and CON for now), what if some awesome gear was available for my PUG that I wanted to level in the near future, but the closest rank I could do the dungeon on was my CON at 39. With a low drop/no drop restriction that would force me to get my PUG high enough to take in, in order to get the drop. But, what if the other people that you could get to do the dungeon with you did not have other complimentary classes e.g. a healer within the same level range? Then the content becomes unavailable to you until everyone has a suitable class of rank. Players will argue that this is not fair for "casual" players.

If people are mainly complaining that a rank 30 dungeon will not present them with a challenge on their rank 50 class.... well either level another class at a lower level/take in a lower level class. Does it all have to be about a challenge to a rank 50 in a lower level dungeon? Go do the higher level dungeon?
Or SE impose a cap, then some rank 50s will complain that their freedom of choice is taken away and that they are being made to play the game and content in a way that they don't want to.

Do players really want the choice taken away and be forced to do everything restricted to a certain level/rank? Genuine question- I'm not being funny at all- I just wondered why some people are so against one side of the argument or the other.

Me- well if I want a challenge I will do the 50 dungeon.
If I want some of the gear in the 30 dungeon and want a challenge I will do it on a class of appropriate rank. If a few lower rank LS members want me to help out then I will group with them at the appropriate rank and do the dungeon with them. If one day a few of us are feeling really lazy and want to go through the lower dungeon on a higher rank just to burn it and have a bit of light hearted content/fun then I wouldn't actually be hurting someone else or their drops.
I personally probably will never do this, but I don't think the choice should be necessarily be taken away from the people that do. However, as I said before- if they want to cap the ranks according to the dungeon requirements then fine.
Can there actually be a compromise?

your stories are all utopias. first of all at one point you might not have lower level classes when a friend asks you to come help but would prefer you to be level 30, but you wont be able to because you don't have any classes low level anymore, making it harder and harder for new players to get help from veterans and keep a challenge.

Also, if you have a level 50 and you want to do the level 30 dungeon to get gears for another of your level 30 class, you will not go on your level 30 and you know it. No one will if they are not forced to OR if there is nothing better for them by doing it on the appropriate level.

[TheVedis]

your stories are all utopias. first of all at one point you might not have lower level classes when a friend asks you to come help but would prefer you to be level 30, but you wont be able to because you don't have any classes low level anymore, making it harder and harder for new players to get help from veterans and keep a challenge.

Also, if you have a level 50 and you want to do the level 30 dungeon to get gears for another of your level 30 class, you will not go on your level 30 and you know it. No one will if they are not forced to OR if there is nothing better for them by doing it on the appropriate level.

so now you know how he will play and your telling him he wont play how he says he will?


no, he had it right, its all about CHOICES

we want choices, we are fighting for choices, not restrictions

and thats the core of the debate

[Rentahamster]

your stories are all utopias. first of all at one point you might not have lower level classes when a friend asks you to come help but would prefer you to be level 30, but you wont be able to because you don't have any classes low level anymore, making it harder and harder for new players to get help from veterans and keep a challenge.

Also, if you have a level 50 and you want to do the level 30 dungeon to get gears for another of your level 30 class, you will not go on your level 30 and you know it. No one will if they are not forced to OR if there is nothing better for them by doing it on the appropriate level.

Yep. This is how human nature works. And this is what must be taken into consideration when designing a game for optimal balance and longevity.

[Richard]

Spoke with the dev. team to get some answers on a few of the questions that have been popping up in the thread.

Are there level restrictions for instanced raids?
There is a minimum level required to enter, but not a maximum level. Therefore, if it’s a level 25 raid, as long as you are 25 or above you will be able to enter.

How often can you enter an instanced raid?
After entering once, you will need to wait a period of time before you can re-enter. (The time has yet to be finalized)

Can you gain SP while battling in raids?
Yes.

What happens if you disconnect while in the instanced raid?
You'll be able to reconnect and rejoin your party. If the party has exited by the time you return, you will be placed outside of the dungeon.

Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.

But... are these raids gonna be tough? I want a challenge! I CRAVE A CHALLENGE!!!1
Rest assured... When speaking about the current raid dungeons, we can sum it up in one word: difficult.

If we bitch enough about it hopefully they will change it. Keep bitching.

edit* this also confirms there will be no soloing.

[Shika]

your stories are all utopias. first of all at one point you might not have lower level classes when a friend asks you to come help but would prefer you to be level 30, but you wont be able to because you don't have any classes low level anymore, making it harder and harder for new players to get help from veterans and keep a challenge.

True, but at some point there will be new players (hopefully) all leveling new classes, and I personally don't see myself taking all classes to 50 right now because I don't particularly enjoy them all. It was just meant as an example to ask how people think SE can get around this without having one side argue that they are being forced to do the content one way or another.

Also, if you have a level 50 and you want to do the level 30 dungeon to get gears for another of your level 30 class, you will not go on your level 30 and you know it. No one will if they are not forced to OR if there is nothing better for them by doing it on the appropriate level.

Actually, no offence, but you don't know me well enough to make this assumption ^^ I said I may or may not. The point in most people's posts is to do with challenge and not gear. Ergo if I personally want the challenge then I will do it on a class of the correct rank- exactly the same as I do leves right now.

They were all hypothetical instances ^^ I see both sides of the argument but don't see an easy solution necessarily.

And yes, one of the main issues here is choice- do we agree for dungeons to have it taken away or not?

[Peregrine]

If we bitch enough about it hopefully they will change it. Keep bitching.

edit* this also confirms there will be no soloing.

If the gear (or sp) is rare and good enough, there will be boxing. Park your lalafells at the door and go get some. No mouths to feed but your own. The game's free right now. No reason not to 3-box the R30 dungeons.

Yoshida knows better than this. He's supposed to be a MMO vet. The R30 dungeons are a waste of time to develop standardized challenge for. There can't be any now.

The R30 dungeon raids have to be simple SP sessions with minor loot on the side, otherwise there's no point in them. They're just inefficient loot gets. What a waste of all that development time. Could have just put all that loot on a field NM that the R50's could just go slaughter and saved themselves all the work.

What a waste of effort the R30 dungeons are, unless they're just a place to get SP and some crap side items.

[Renshi]

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...331#post192331



Way to halfass more filler content that will be completed in two weeks.

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Give us OPTIONS!

- Voluntary level cap feature: Any player above the recommended dungeon level can initiate this feature to scale their level down. Example: Lv.50 Player wants a challenge so his Lv.50 job is scaled down to Lv.25 for Toto-Rak.

- Make it so loot doesn't drop when there is a player that is 10 levels above the recommended level in the dungeon. TERA's instanced content works like this and it helps balance content.

- ???
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[SIZE=6]- PROFIT

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sorry, I had to =D

[Perrin_Aybarra]

True, but at some point there will be new players (hopefully) all leveling new classes, and I personally don't see myself taking all classes to 50 right now because I don't particularly enjoy them all. It was just meant as an example to ask how people think SE can get around this without having one side argue that they are being forced to do the content one way or another.



Actually, no offence, but you don't know me well enough to make this assumption ^^ I said I may or may not. The point in most people's posts is to do with challenge and not gear. Ergo if I personally want the challenge then I will do it on a class of the correct rank- exactly the same as I do leves right now.

They were all hypothetical instances ^^ I see both sides of the argument but don't see an easy solution necessarily.

And yes, one of the main issues here is choice- do we agree for dungeons to have it taken away or not?

Yeah I meant no offense as well, when I say "you" it's in a general way, not you personally but "you" the people in general. That is how it works in every game out there and how the human is fundamentally. If an easy/lazy way out is possible with no penalty, then no one will do it in a harder way if there is nothing to show for, not even an achievement.