Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Belial]

First of, let me say that I don't care whether SE recognizes this tactic as an exploit (read: cheating) or not. The fact of the matter is that any system that rewards you more for failing an objective than completing it is broken and bad game design. The people who are using this tactic are by definition exploiting bad game design to rush through the game as fast as possible. It's not an opinion.

Now we have entry requirements on leve parties that you must have the most optimal leves for linking or you can't play? I see people shouting that in Uldah all the time. If this continues it will be just another huge turn off for new players. In addition, what new player is going to endure abuse from another party member because they completed what they thought was supposed to be their objective?

I think that the solution is to balance the rewards for leves and ensure that no subset gives substantially more SP than all of the rest. If they were all more or less the same, then there'd be no incentive to fail specific ones.

I guess my question now is, does anyone know if SE plans to address this in future updates? I haven't seen anything posted recently one way or the other.

Moot point is moot.

[TheVedis]

They said that they're gonna implement a SP reward for leve completion so that you're more encouraged to complete instead of fail.

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cuz i sure as hell have never seen them say this

[Molly_Millions]

They said that they're gonna implement a SP reward for leve completion so that you're more encouraged to complete instead of fail.

do you have a link to your source?

[Xatsh]

To fix the leve failing would be a simply fix... make Faction credits do more.

Sorta like how salvage and assault worked.

make it where a Dungeon cost 80-100 Faction Credits to enter or something. (So now people can finish leaves and get around 100 credits per 8 leves, or they can fail get more sp but not be able to do dungeons.)

That there works, SE can continue to say it is a fair trade and now people have to choose Dungeons or 100k sp/hr.


Either that or add some really good stuff from Faction NMS (stuff that makes people want to do them)

[Rentahamster]

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cuz i sure as hell have never seen them say this

do you have a link to your source?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158

Did they? I'm not saying you're not trustworthy -- you definitely are -- but could you please provide a link to them saying that, if possible? I've seen this suggested several times, but don't remember seeing a moderator commenting on it. If it's out there, I'd love to see it, because I'd love to have an idea of what they're planning on this.

Thanks.

皆さん、こんばんは。

引き続きフィードバックありがとうございます。頂いたコメントの中で気になった「特定のリーヴ以外人が集まらない」「リーヴ更新の際、3枚選ばれるのをすべての中から自由に選びたい」「リーヴリンクでペナルティなく修錬値が増加することもリーヴを放棄する原因の1つ」などのご意見を元に、再度担当者と話をしてきました。

現在の仕様では、8パターンのリーヴのうち、数パターンしか選べないものとなっています。これについて開発チーム内でもその是非について検 討を行いました が、ギルドリーヴごとのバランスを調整出来ていない今、その部分を変更すると、今まで以上に同じリーヴしか選択されなくなるという状況になると予想されま す（その事を要望していた人にとっては改善といえるかもしれませんが…）

そのため、現在の優先度としては、リーヴ間のバランス調整を行うことを先行するものとしています。攻略ルートを含め、様々な面から調整を行っています。

また、調整の中で最も重要なものの1つ、修錬値の調整も行っています。これは前述の失敗を繰り返して同じリーヴをプレイすることへの対策でもありますが、 リーヴをクリアした際に修錬値をもらえるようにして、クリアすることの意味を高めるようにするというものです。この点を踏まえたバランス調整を現在行って います。

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

[Jaide]

Well, when you fail all your leves, gil does not fall out of the sky. Try it, you'll see. Some of us would rather try 'the old fashioned way' for our faction gear so buying it is not an option. And lastly, if you fail all your leves, you can easily get to 50 and not have enough marks for all the skills from that class.

So I'll say it again, we're loosing out on enough already by failing leves, we don't need more punishment for doing so.

How would you be further punished if the leve rewards were balanced, removing the incentive to fail them on purpose? In fact if they removed the incentive then you would end up much more gil, faction points, and marks. Clearly the SP reward is much more valuable than whatever else you get from completing the leves or you wouldn't see just about everyone doing it. Again, a system that rewards people who TRY to fail is broken and needs to be fixed.

[Jaide]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

Thanks for the translation. I think balancing the rewards between leves would be a better option but this is still good news and really all I wanted to hear. Thanks!

[TheVedis]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post179158



"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

so its leve balancing they are talking about, but from what i can tell, the translation says they are discussing it still and thats not how its going down yet


we need an official translation on this though honestly before we start really looking at what it says

[Molly_Millions]

"As a counter measure against the problem of players failing their leves on purpose so they can repeat the same ones over again, you will receive SP upon completion of a leve so that there is more of a reason to finish."

As far as I can recall, I don't believe this was ever translated and posted on the English forums.

Hmmm, I wonder when they plan to implement that? I'm not against it, but I hope they do something about how many leves are available to choose from in addition to the SP reward for completion. Otherwise people will still fail leves as the fastest means to rank up. Either that, or the completion bonus must be pretty damn large to compensate.

[AngryNixon]

Thanks for the translation. I think balancing the rewards between leves would be a better option but this is still good news and really all I wanted to hear. Thanks!

Balancing the SP rewards so that all the leves offer relatively the same SP for completion solves only half the problem. Saving the same 7-8 leves is partially because those specific ones offer relatively more SP than all the others. The "leve link" system is the other part of the problem. It pays to keep the same leves in a group so you can link them for more SP that way. If you keep the link system but balance them all, it will still pay (if SP was your main objective) to pick some leves and keep them with the group you're going with to maximize SP through max links on every run.

P.S. if the completion bonus in SP overcomes that problem solved.