New dungeons confirmed i55?

[Gucci_Charms]

Raise ilvl please. I don't wanna join a DF instance only to be stuck with people who cannot even kill the first boss due to poor gear lol.

[Felis]

What point is there to these dungeons other than tome grinding if you can fully gear up in coil1-5/through myth both of which will be unlimited in 2.2? Sure they haven't told us what ilevel gear drops from here, but I'd have a hard time believing that it's above 90. Did they even think this through?

Do you suggest that people should ignore every gear between ilevel 55-80 and go direct into coil 1-4 (coil 5 don't get the echo buff) with AF1?
What is if people don't want gear for the ilevel, but for vanity? What is if the gear in the new dungeons have only ilevel 75, but look amazing?
The Vanity system is coming with 2.2, the new dungeons are a good place to put in new vanity gears for people to farm for the vanity system.

[Sessurea]

Why are people talking about skill? Why are people talking about people with twin weapons being the worst players they ever seen? Why are people talking about ilvl 48s being the most pro and skilled players they ever seen? This is simply about appropriate ilvl. My friend told me that they said this new dungeon will be harder than pharos Sirius.

So lets look at a few things. Ilvl 55 , rather than the most professional player known to man as white knights will have us believe, is actually a new player wearing a piece or 2 of darklight, which he could probably afford after completing the main story quest. Now. Said player, logically, wants to get the best gear he can? So he queues for new dungeon since hes ilvl 55. Everything he has done in the game up to that point has been absolute faceroll ( titan hm I think we can agree is the 1st challenge this game offers ), and now hes queueing for the toughest instance in the game.

Compared to: Someone who went through progression and learned a bit. They got their relic, 3-4 pieces from ct and some myth gears. They even got garuda ring and ultima neck. THIS should be the kind of person to queue for the new dungeon.

Sure, generalise all freaking day about overgeared noobs, and undergeared pros, but its actually completely external to this. Players should PROGRESS, not hit 50 and BOOM, already gearing the top stuff with no clue about dps checks, rotations, little to no experience at endgame.

[PArcher]

In my book this is a fact, I have never ever came across a player who killed twin and was bad, let alone a healer.

LOLOL

Just because you have a particular piece of gear doesn't mean you know your class.

I've seen TONS of people with EX weapons who were just terribad. I've played with people with Allagan weapons who had no idea what they were doing; they won the weapon and their other Allagan in greed-rolls and never really played the class before.


I keep seeing people with Allagan weapons here and there and set higher standards for them...so far, I've been more disappointed than satisfied.

[PArcher]

As for the i55 of these dungeons...

Personally, I don't care. I also don't see why any of you "pro" players complaining about this care either. If you want to get content done with as few problems as possible...you queue with friends/FC mates/LS members you know.

Anytime you queue with randoms you have to accept that you may get bad people...regardless of ilv requirements.

I don't know how many times I've joined EX groups with i85 reqs that are just train-wrecks; people dying first phase, not doing enough DPS for the ilv, just having no clue.

item level =/= skill level

[Musashidon]

Raise ilvl please. I don't wanna join a DF instance only to be stuck with people who cannot even kill the first boss due to poor gear lol.

if they make the ilvl 55 that means i55 players can do it, course that doesn't include skill into it. don't blame the requirement blame the player.

[Nutz]

I really don't understand the unrelenting defense people put up for low ilvl requirements on content that at least should be difficult. The rewards (that matter at least) will be tomes for ilvl 100-110 or so gear and the requirement to go is an item level 45-55 points lower than the rewards. It's not so much that I don't think ilvl 55 players can do these dungeons (maybe they can, maybe not -- I have no idea obviously), but from a progression standpoint it doesn't make sense to tell players to skip almost all of the endgame gear and start farming the highest level items almost immediately.

If you hit 50 and complete every expected piece of endgame content a single time (not talking about Coil or extremes here obviously) you'd be at ilvl 60+ if you got more than a single dungeon drop, even if you inexplicably decided not to make your relic weapon. It's a very low requirement. If I were ilvl 55 on my first class I certainly wouldn't want to go into the hardest dungeons in the game yet, if for no other reason than I obviously haven't done the ones that lead up to them yet.

[Gilraen]

Heck, I've seen people with the new Extreme Primal weapons who were complete idiots at their roles. Not the other night it was in Pharos that I ran with a Bard, full Tower armor and Extreme bow complaining about my damage output while drawing hate at least once every fight, killing all of the hatching eggs at Zu and failing to silence Siren's Lunatic Voice. I was running as Dragoon but unlike the bard I never drew hate because I know how to manage it, I'd stop attacking Zu to take care of any chicks that did hatch and it seems you can't stun Lunatic's Voice as Spineshatter Dive did nothing to stop it.

I'm not saying every undergeared player is a pro and every overgeared player is a newbie. But there's enough of both that iLevel means nothing and we were better off before it was added, when you could tell how good or bad a person was in the first five minutes just by observing how they performed because that was the only way. ILevel is too much like rose-colored glasses.

[Sessurea]

Yh your all right guys, ilvl means nothing. So many ilvl 67 titanEX runs u are all holding in PF, no doubt.

For all geniuses saying how ilvl 90s suck and ilvl 48s are the best players known to man, you do realise someone can go to ilvl 90 doing nothing but praetorium? You do realise primal weapons can and are bought? good, nice to see we cleared that up. Produce better arguments please.

[Musashidon]

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it actually makes plenty of sense there is a cap (prolly a low cap like myth had 200) now should they have to wait till they do the philo grind for dl then do the myth/coil grind for i90 just to start on the new gear? they can only get so many of the new tomes a week so they will be forced (if they wanna keep doing harder content) to gear out in the other stuff anyways so why hinder them in a way where they are forced to climb this ladder because its smarter? unless they ignore all content and just cap the new tome for the gear then yes they can avoid all that other gear but i don't see why it matters there.