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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    and if someone with a Lv.50 has another job at Lv.30 and wants the gear from it? I could eat a bowl of Alphabet Soup and **** out a better argument.
    if they want the challenge they can run it on their 30
    but you cant tell them they arent allowed to make it easier by doing it on their 50

    every player has the right to play the dungeon how they want according to the rules of the dungeon, not the "opinions" of what other players are going to want to do

    much like leve failing
    or grade 10 fishing

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    if they want the challenge they can run it on their 30
    but you cant tell them they arent allowed to make it easier by doing it on their 50

    every player has the right to play the dungeon how they want according to the rules of the dungeon, not the "opinions" of what other players are going to want to do

    much like leve failing
    or grade 10 fishing
    It's these rules that we're bitching about. This 25 dungeon will be obsolete as fast as the NMs they added in the last major patch. Game doesn't need content that becomes obsolete within a week because the developers can't create new content fast enough. After a week you're back to leve grinding and boredom. Hopefully they get things right with the 50 dungeon, I don't know how many people will sit around waiting more months with nothing to do for the next content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenor View Post
    It's these rules that we're bitching about. This 25 dungeon will be obsolete as fast as the NMs they added in the last major patch. Game doesn't need content that becomes obsolete within a week because the developers can't create new content fast enough. After a week you're back to leve grinding and boredom. Hopefully they get things right with the 50 dungeon, I don't know how many people will sit around waiting more months with nothing to do for the next content.
    They are improving the game for EVERYONE. Not just r50s. Mid level NMS and the mid level Dungeon are designed for MID LEVEL PLAYERS who will either return to the game after the patch, or join the game at PS3 launch. They are trying to learn from their mistakes like the first time we all leveled to r50 with NO content, and adding content for FUTURE players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe View Post
    They are improving the game for EVERYONE. Not just r50s. Mid level NMS and the mid level Dungeon are designed for MID LEVEL PLAYERS who will either return to the game after the patch, or join the game at PS3 launch. They are trying to learn from their mistakes like the first time we all leveled to r50 with NO content, and adding content for FUTURE players.
    But how does capping a Lv.30 dungeon to Lv.30's hurt the mid content players if mid content is so important? They will be doing the dungeon at the MID level. What it adds to the game is a challenge for EVERYONE not just the mid level players. It adds two facets of content really.

    The entitlement of this community to have everything spoon fed to them is astonishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    But how does capping a Lv.30 dungeon to Lv.30's hurt the mid content players if mid content is so important? They will be doing the dungeon at the MID level. What it adds to the game is a challenge for EVERYONE not just the mid level players. It adds two facets of content really.

    The entitlement of this community to have everything spoon fed to them is astonishing.
    lol, entitlement has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to be forced to play a r30 dungeon when I could care less about mid-level content. So by your definition, they would be shooting themselves in the foot by excluding players who DON'T want to relive their days as a r30. Its pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe View Post
    lol, entitlement has nothing to do with it. I'm not going to be forced to play a r30 dungeon when I could care less about mid-level content. So by your definition, they would be shooting themselves in the foot by excluding players who DON'T want to relive their days as a r30. Its pointless.
    Who is forcing you into the dungeon? If you don't care about Mid content than don't DO mid content. How ignorant are you? For the people that WANT to do mid content and not steamroll through it we are pretty much SOL. For the people who already have capped DoM/DoW they are FORCED into doing at R.50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Who is forcing you into the dungeon? If you don't care about Mid content than don't DO mid content. How ignorant are you? For the people that WANT to do mid content and not steamroll through it we are pretty much SOL. For the people who already have capped DoM/DoW they are FORCED into doing at R.50.
    Exactly, which means the new content is going to go unused by half the population if capped. How ignorant are you? For the people that WANT to do mid level content for the CHALLENGE, CAN RUN IT AS A r30! Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    But how does capping a Lv.30 dungeon to Lv.30's hurt the mid content players if mid content is so important? They will be doing the dungeon at the MID level. What it adds to the game is a challenge for EVERYONE not just the mid level players. It adds two facets of content really.

    The entitlement of this community to have everything spoon fed to them is astonishing.
    how does it help the mid content?
    the mid content players dont need a cap

    all a cap does is punish and hinder higher players and force them to be a lower level which they may not want

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe View Post
    They are improving the game for EVERYONE. Not just r50s. Mid level NMS and the mid level Dungeon are designed for MID LEVEL PLAYERS who will either return to the game after the patch, or join the game at PS3 launch. They are trying to learn from their mistakes like the first time we all leveled to r50 with NO content, and adding content for FUTURE players.
    You have to take into consideration people who are above 35 but below 45. what about them? No dungeons, no challenging content, just boring leves. Between 35 and 45 why would you go into the level 30 dungeon if the rewards will be trivial for your level and if the challenge is non-existant?

    While I'd rather the dungeons to have a cap or at least an optional cap for better reward, I'll pray that at least we get capped story missions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe View Post
    They are improving the game for EVERYONE. Not just r50s. Mid level NMS and the mid level Dungeon are designed for MID LEVEL PLAYERS who will either return to the game after the patch, or join the game at PS3 launch. They are trying to learn from their mistakes like the first time we all leveled to r50 with NO content, and adding content for FUTURE players.
    Do YOU have TO type LIKE a ***? Did NO one TEACH you SENTENCE structure AT school?

    What you said is completely irrelevant, if the content isn't for us then why hype it up and implement it now? The content is for everyone, not just new players and PS3 players. Capping the content at rank 30 doesn't harm any new players but it does provide a challenge for current or returning players. SE needs those 400k players who quit to return just as much as they need new players. People aren't going to return if the content is weak and you'd be a fool to think most people who quit are under rank 30 when getting to rank 30 takes two days max.

    Wow, there's been 15 new pages since you posted this. I'm not reading the same arguments over and over from kids who wish to be spoon fed everything for no effort. You aren't what will make the game succeed, you are what will make it fail.
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