How come we can't play with friends?

[LlenCoram]

Wow, why did I watch this. Gods I miss 1.xx... I miss the maps and the NMs and the LS crests next to our names.

I miss inertia animations. I sorely miss On Windy Meadows. I miss inertia animations. I miss the old combat system (not quite what was in that video. 1.23's was a touch faster). I miss inertia animations.

I miss inertia animations.

All we wanted was 1.23, but better, Yoshi. Why did you gut the entire game -_-. This new engine is snazzy, sure, but it can't even do tinted lenses. What is that.

[ErBear]

Not really. They're a good idea, it's just when you have them spaced so far between pops, you give them higher priority than everything else. If Odin/Behemoth popped more frequently, you wouldn't have to announce to the server that they're there, causing a huge influx of players to bottleneck into a tiny area.

FATEs themselves are fine as a form of placing giant mobs into the world. They give people a chance to do the fight without having to stand around for hours/days running a bot to claim.

no they are not, how is spamming aoe aoe on every fate GOOD!?! They are ok concept in writing but in practice they are terrible (gw2, rift, ffxiv) all are terrible and not good nor fun.

[Tannlore]

Boss that spawns once a week where 200 people show up....


group mob that 8 people kill.

Kinda sorta not anything alike.

You can't throw the super extreme example out every time someone mentions open world like its the IWIN button.

Bolded that part for you because:

8 man maps: 8 person content with loot at the end. You can even choose when it spawns!

As for Fate Bosses: These are world bosses, even if only 8 or 200000 people show up, they are. The label fate just seems to make people blind to that I guess?

We should be seeing Roaming primals in the future as well, but I imagine that might be a full alliance sort of deal. Who knows?

Also extreme? Define how that was an extreme example? Seems to meet the criteria fine.

[Mogi]

Can't ppl just gather friends and do fates like on the vid the op posted? can't you run around this world now and find random cool hang outs and kill anything random with friends? yes yes yes. And in that vid i see no nice back rounds just ground sky and ppl is that something to miss? yes 1.0 was big but that's all it was big slow and messed up why do you think SE trashed it

[ErBear]

Can't ppl just gather friends and do fates like on the vid the op posted? can't you run around this world now and find random cool hang outs and kill anything random with friends? yes yes yes. And in that vid i see no nice back rounds just ground sky and ppl is that something to miss? yes 1.0 was big but that's all it was big slow and messed up why do you think SE trashed it

One shotting randoms with a bunch of friends is not fun lol

[KiriA500]

no they are not, how is spamming aoe aoe on every fate GOOD!?! They are ok concept in writing but in practice they are terrible (gw2, rift, ffxiv) all are terrible and not good nor fun.

See, it's the actions of other players that are ruining FATE for you, not the FATE itself. Yoshi-P didn't sit down and say "Hey guys, you know what we need to add? Fights that just make you spam AoE moves!" when developing the idea of the FATE system. It just turns out that's how players decided to do them.

[Mogi]

One shotting randoms with a bunch of friends is not fun lol

But standing around with very slow animations and a big boss that moves like a slug is? ok then

[ErBear]

See, it's the actions of other players that are ruining FATE for you, not the FATE itself. Yoshi-P didn't sit down and say "Hey guys, you know what we need to add? Fights that just make you spam AoE moves!" when developing the idea of the FATE system. It just turns out that's how players decided to do them.

Welp then it's a flawed system. That means open world NMs are fantastic as well in your eyes, because it's not the developers fault that people use bots.... jeezus....

[KiriA500]

Welp then it's a flawed system. That means open world NMs are fantastic as well in your eyes, because it's not the developers fault that people use bots.... jeezus....

No. Content that can be controlled by players is bad design. Yes, bots ruin it for other people who are also doing that, but not being able to do content because the mob is being monopolized by a group is super lame. FATEs allow other people who bought the game to be able to enjoy open-world content.

That's also why 99% of the game is instanced. There's no reason for a small handful of people to be able to be the only ones enjoying content in the year 2014. That design philosophy is so archaic.

[Zarzak]

So if there were more of them only 8 people at a time would ever want to kill it? Especially if they dropped "fat loot"? If you believe that I have ocean front property in Arizona to sell you, super cheap!

It's called claiming a camp? People have done it for 16+ years without much issue?

Bolded that part for you because:

8 man maps: 8 person content with loot at the end. You can even choose when it spawns!

As for Fate Bosses: These are world bosses, even if only 8 or 200000 people show up, they are. The label fate just seems to make people blind to that I guess?

We should be seeing Roaming primals in the future as well, but I imagine that might be a full alliance sort of deal. Who knows?

Also extreme? Define how that was an extreme example? Seems to meet the criteria fine.

You mean the loot that is inferior to even the group dungeon drops? And sorry but triggered spawns are the same thing as an instance.



I wasn't saying fate bosses are not world bosses. They are.

Saying "the world boss that spawns once a week attracts 200 people lags some people so obviously open world group mobs that are designed for 1 group are not viable" is extreme.

Hell you yourself say that maps are open world content. And judging by your mention of them feel they are viable in open world. So you yourself also disagree with the previous "LOOK LOOK PEOPLE LAG ON ODIN AND BEHEMOTH THAT MEANS WE CAN'T HAVE OPEN WORLD CONTENT!!!"