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  1. #81
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    Kallale's Avatar
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    Faustigent Clouett
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 50
    And just think, these are real people living in the real world who can't see past their own desires... but don't think about it too hard or you will despair.
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  2. #82
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    If someone kicks you for watching a cut scene they are showing you how they feel about themselves. That the don't care about other players and aren't considerate of others.
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  3. #83
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    Lilyanna's Avatar
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    Mia Koji
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    Midgardsormr
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    Conjurer Lv 53
    I'm kind of a 'go with the flow' type of person. I always give myself more than enough time to run a DF if I need to (Usually doing my dailies in the late hours of the night to avoid husband-aggro, lol).

    My first time through, I skipped everything because I'm not a big cutscene person, but I've never told anyone to skip if they wanted to watch. I was more worried about screwing up then watching scenes. (I took the downtime to read a guide I had up, lol).

    Over all the MMO's I've played, having to wait for a CS or someone has never bothered me ... I can turn on Netflix/Youtube and watch something while I wait.
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  4. #84
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    Bahd_Monkey's Avatar
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    Pale Esper
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    Midgardsormr
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    I was with a friend of mine, who was a healer. He got booted on his first time because he was watching the cut scenes. The only solution I can think of is to have the end of the main story cutscenes unskipable. If they were skipable if everyone in the party had previously completed it, then first timers would get booted by the majority who are just there to speed run.
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  5. #85
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    NoctisUmbra's Avatar
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    Noctis Umbra
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Bahd_Monkey View Post
    I was with a friend of mine, who was a healer. He got booted on his first time because he was watching the cut scenes. The only solution I can think of is to have the end of the main story cutscenes unskipable. If they were skipable if everyone in the party had previously completed it, then first timers would get booted by the majority who are just there to speed run.
    Solution is to play with friends who won't skip, start a Party Finder request where it is clear that cutscenes will not be skipped, or skip cutscenes and watch later in the inn.

    Forcing cutscenes to be watched every playthrough is not a reasonable solution. Not by a longshot, when those cutscenes can be quite long, and an absolute chore to rewatch.
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  6. #86
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    ColorOfSakura's Avatar
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    Aerik Tirel
    World
    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
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    Or the vets should run Party Finder or run with their group in order to speed run and farm tomes. It's somewhat unrealistic to request that newbies go out of their way to complete required story content or be required rush through dungeons without knowledge of the mechanics or anything else because they chose to use Duty Finder (something they have been implicitly told to use all game.)

    Vets shouldn't have a hard time putting in requests on PF for Castrum and Prae speed runs in order to farm tomes. Don't force new players to pull themselves out of the immersion of the game in order to fit your requirements for a run.
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  7. #87
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    NoctisUmbra's Avatar
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    Noctis Umbra
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura View Post
    Or the vets should run Party Finder or run with their group in order to speed run and farm tomes. It's somewhat unrealistic to request that newbies go out of their way to complete required story content or be required rush through dungeons without knowledge of the mechanics or anything else because they chose to use Duty Finder (something they have been implicitly told to use all game.)

    Vets shouldn't have a hard time putting in requests on PF for Castrum and Prae speed runs in order to farm tomes. Don't force new players to pull themselves out of the immersion of the game in order to fit your requirements for a run.
    I won't disagree with you here. It does indeed make more sense for vets (in this case anybody who watched the cutscenes) to use the PF for skipping them.

    However, if I am to be realistic as you suggest this will never happen. Everybody only ever needs to watch the cutscenes once. After that, if they ever run it is expected that they will skip. As this suggests, there are far more people who have watched the cutscenes playing than those who have not. Therefore, people who want to watch cutscenes become a niche - a minority. Quite a small minority, in fact.

    Therefore, on the grand scheme of things the deisre to not skip cutscenes is a minor one and people with such a standard can quite readily use PF to band together.

    The ultimate point is: good luck getting the majority of the playerbase to not run speedruns on Duty Finder.
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  8. #88
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    Alcyon Eldara
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    Moogle
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura View Post
    Vets shouldn't have a hard time putting in requests on PF for Castrum and Prae speed runs in order to farm tomes. Don't force new players to pull themselves out of the immersion of the game in order to fit your requirements for a run.
    Vets wouldn't run Castrum or Praetorium if it wasn't for 300 tomes and a few gils in 30 mins or less. End of the story.
    -Wahh wahh I cannot find a group to finish my story !!! Please SE, do something to force vets to help ME.
    Ok, 300 tomes for running them.
    -Wahh wahh the big guys force me to skip cut-scenes ! they should play how I ECIDE and not how they decide !!! MY VISION is superior !!!!!

    I don't kick people, but I usualy start the fight even if they aren't there. Same story for the AFK in CT. I'm selfish ? Of course I am, but I assume it, not like you who find "normal" to see 7/23 people waiting for you and only you.
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  9. #89
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    doctor_jimbob's Avatar
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    O'zinba Numh
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alcyon1 View Post
    Vets wouldn't run Castrum or Praetorium if it wasn't for 300 tomes and a few gils in 30 mins or less. End of the story.
    -Wahh wahh I cannot find a group to finish my story !!! Please SE, do something to force vets to help ME.
    Ok, 300 tomes for running them.
    -Wahh wahh the big guys force me to skip cut-scenes ! they should play how I ECIDE and not how they decide !!! MY VISION is superior !!!!!

    I don't kick people, but I usualy start the fight even if they aren't there. Same story for the AFK in CT. I'm selfish ? Of course I am, but I assume it, not like you who find "normal" to see 7/23 people waiting for you and only you.
    They're not playing how they decide, they're playing the game the way it was designed.
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  10. #90
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    OPneedNerfs's Avatar
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    Zyxt Fair
    World
    Tonberry
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_jimbob View Post
    They're not playing how they decide, they're playing the game the way it was designed.
    Not trying to stir up any trouble, but if it was designed to not be skipped, why is there an option to skip + why are those scenes watchable afterwards?
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