Constantly kicked for watching cutscenes

[NoctisUmbra]

I was with a friend of mine, who was a healer. He got booted on his first time because he was watching the cut scenes. The only solution I can think of is to have the end of the main story cutscenes unskipable. If they were skipable if everyone in the party had previously completed it, then first timers would get booted by the majority who are just there to speed run.

Solution is to play with friends who won't skip, start a Party Finder request where it is clear that cutscenes will not be skipped, or skip cutscenes and watch later in the inn.

Forcing cutscenes to be watched every playthrough is not a reasonable solution. Not by a longshot, when those cutscenes can be quite long, and an absolute chore to rewatch.

[ColorOfSakura]

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Or the vets should run Party Finder or run with their group in order to speed run and farm tomes. It's somewhat unrealistic to request that newbies go out of their way to complete required story content or be required rush through dungeons without knowledge of the mechanics or anything else because they chose to use Duty Finder (something they have been implicitly told to use all game.)

Vets shouldn't have a hard time putting in requests on PF for Castrum and Prae speed runs in order to farm tomes. Don't force new players to pull themselves out of the immersion of the game in order to fit your requirements for a run.

[NoctisUmbra]

Or the vets should run Party Finder or run with their group in order to speed run and farm tomes. It's somewhat unrealistic to request that newbies go out of their way to complete required story content or be required rush through dungeons without knowledge of the mechanics or anything else because they chose to use Duty Finder (something they have been implicitly told to use all game.)

Vets shouldn't have a hard time putting in requests on PF for Castrum and Prae speed runs in order to farm tomes. Don't force new players to pull themselves out of the immersion of the game in order to fit your requirements for a run.

I won't disagree with you here. It does indeed make more sense for vets (in this case anybody who watched the cutscenes) to use the PF for skipping them.

However, if I am to be realistic as you suggest this will never happen. Everybody only ever needs to watch the cutscenes once. After that, if they ever run it is expected that they will skip. As this suggests, there are far more people who have watched the cutscenes playing than those who have not. Therefore, people who want to watch cutscenes become a niche - a minority. Quite a small minority, in fact.

Therefore, on the grand scheme of things the deisre to not skip cutscenes is a minor one and people with such a standard can quite readily use PF to band together.

The ultimate point is: good luck getting the majority of the playerbase to not run speedruns on Duty Finder.

[ColorOfSakura]

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I know the playerbase isn't going to change, but saying "We're going to continue to do this practice even though it makes us look bad" isn't really helpful either.

Honestly, the community in FFXIV 1.0 was generally pretty great. There was a large portion of the player base that opted to go out of their way to help new players acclimate and feel comfortable as they progressed through the game, and yeah - there were jerks (there always are) but the majority of the interactions I saw were on the positive end. But suddenly with ARR, there's this influx into the playerbase of people just acting like huge dicks running around shouting down all the new players, sneering the word "casuals" at them like they're some sort of paragon of MMO gaming, and constantly coming onto the forums to complain about the game just handing out gear. And then people get surprised when the new players feel left out and complain about how much they hate the playerbase for being unwelcoming?

At what point should the vets actually take a stand against this sort of behavior? Look, I know it won't stop, and thinking there's a way to change it is foolish, but seriously. Seeing Legacy players who stand by and let it occur, or even participate in it is frustrating and disappointing. And yeah, I know that there are newbies out there who are going to scream at the top of their lungs about people being mean to them when they're simply being offered constructive advice. I know there's going to be new players who refuse to learn how to play their classes properly. I get all of that, trust me, I do. I'm a vet from both FFXI and XIV 1.0, I get it.

And yeah, Square Enix is partially at fault here because they should have foreseen this, but then again - they focus on the Japanese playerbase, and probably didn't figure that it'd be a problem. (Same with the griefing issues with Ready Check, Vote Kick, and Vote Abandon.)

Yeah, they offered up 300 tomes as a reward because the old dungeons were barren and it was hard to find other new players to join you. But they did it because they expected the vets to assist the new players. Waiting a total of ten extra minutes in a dungeon because someone chose to watch the cutscenes isn't that much extra time out of your day. Go have a smoke, get a drink, stand up and stretch. But then people say "Well, Vets want to run it fast! Our time is important to us!". Okay, that's fine - but running it fast doesn't help the new players. They get railed on for not being "good enough" at the mechanics of the game constantly, but then you expect them to be able to speed run two level 50 dungeons (meant to prepare you for the endgame content) as FRESH 50s and then get surprised when they're terrible at doing most endgame content? Kinda hard to learn how to play when you have people pressuring you to speed run.

Also, everyone's time is important to them. If you are in a rush to get a dungeon done, perhaps don't queue up for Castrum or Prae without a preformed party. You might end up with four out of eight individuals who haven't run it before, totally have no idea what they're doing and getting pushed through Castrum in a speed run, effectively "crash the car" and wipe the party out.

I'm just saying that the veteran players should consider these things. You guys are invested in the game, the new players aren't as much. It can force them out of something they've enjoyed and that's not good for anyone, honestly.

[Alcyon1]

Vets shouldn't have a hard time putting in requests on PF for Castrum and Prae speed runs in order to farm tomes. Don't force new players to pull themselves out of the immersion of the game in order to fit your requirements for a run.

Vets wouldn't run Castrum or Praetorium if it wasn't for 300 tomes and a few gils in 30 mins or less. End of the story.
-Wahh wahh I cannot find a group to finish my story !!! Please SE, do something to force vets to help ME.
Ok, 300 tomes for running them.
-Wahh wahh the big guys force me to skip cut-scenes ! they should play how I ECIDE and not how they decide !!! MY VISION is superior !!!!!

I don't kick people, but I usualy start the fight even if they aren't there. Same story for the AFK in CT. I'm selfish ? Of course I am, but I assume it, not like you who find "normal" to see 7/23 people waiting for you and only you.

[doctor_jimbob]

Vets wouldn't run Castrum or Praetorium if it wasn't for 300 tomes and a few gils in 30 mins or less. End of the story.
-Wahh wahh I cannot find a group to finish my story !!! Please SE, do something to force vets to help ME.
Ok, 300 tomes for running them.
-Wahh wahh the big guys force me to skip cut-scenes ! they should play how I ECIDE and not how they decide !!! MY VISION is superior !!!!!

I don't kick people, but I usualy start the fight even if they aren't there. Same story for the AFK in CT. I'm selfish ? Of course I am, but I assume it, not like you who find "normal" to see 7/23 people waiting for you and only you.

They're not playing how they decide, they're playing the game the way it was designed.

[OPneedNerfs]

They're not playing how they decide, they're playing the game the way it was designed.

Not trying to stir up any trouble, but if it was designed to not be skipped, why is there an option to skip + why are those scenes watchable afterwards?

[ispano]

Not trying to stir up any trouble, but if it was designed to not be skipped, why is there an option to skip + why are those scenes watchable afterwards?

It was designed to be watched, not designed to "not be skipped". Also you answered your own question, the "option" to skip, you have to willingly opt out. It's not the default.

[OPneedNerfs]

It was designed to be watched, not designed to "not be skipped". Also you answered your own question, the "option" to skip, you have to willingly opt out. It's not the default.

I'm just saying, it wasn't designed for either. It gives everyone the choice to watch or skip it. If they wanted to design it to be watched, they could always make them unskippable if it was their first time seeing it. That would cause problems and frustrations of their own (playing on another character but seen the cutscene before on a different character). If there's one thing I'm sure of after playing many games with unskippable stuff such as unskippable cutscenes, it sucks if it has to be replayed.

[NoctisUmbra]

They're not playing how they decide, they're playing the game the way it was designed.

...and people who skip aren't?

Those instances weren't designed to be played once, clearly.

Bad argument is bad. Didn't think that one through.