Anyone tried i90 ACN?

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Not counting your auto-attack, that's approximately 116 chances to crit. Windbite, Venomous Bite, Flame Arrow, all our OGCD abilities, our GCD abilities, and our auto-attack add up to somewhere around 110 for BRD, depending on RoB procs. What's your argument, again?

Torin stated he considers Bard to be a crit based class and SMN not to be. My argument is that if SMN has more actions that can crit independently of each other every GCD / 3 seconds then Summoner should also be considered a crit based class. The more things that can independently crit per GCD, the more importance crit should logically have to you.

Last time I checked 116 > 110 (assuming your #s are correct? What is the time period you are even measuring?) which means that SMN has more actions that crit, which means that if BRD is a CRIT based class, SMN should be considered to be one too.

Just as an aside, you should also count auto attacks. SMN(and SCH) have drastically higher STR(70 STR on my character) than other mage jobs (BLM/WHM). You can be in melee auto attack range for every 'endgame' fight in game with the exception of T2 ADS (because of rot passing), parts of Garuda Ex, and nail phases on Ifrit Ex, and post snake phase in Turn 5. You can definitely melee the nails on Ifrit if you're suicidal, during sisters phases in Garuda Extreme if you're confident in your Wicked Wheel dodging skills, but that's just a tangent to this aside. The point is is that Ruin II + book auto attacks are a net DPS gain equivalent to another dot tick over using Ruin I exclusively and any MP issues you might have doing this resolved themselves in 2.1 once we lost Thunder. So technically the 116 vs 110 # should be even larger because you can get in an auto attack every GCD where you aren't reapplying dots.