t2 got ninja nerfed?

[Hitome]

Are you going to tell me you DIDN'T get your first relic in a 1 tank setup for titan HM?
Do you think you are "leet" because you have gear? You keep throwing up T4 as some sort of pinnacle (it's not). I've been doing this coil crap for months now. Back in early Oct, I got Pld pants in my first T2 kill (the "right" way if it matters). Since then, I've gotten the ugly ass shield (which most of my static has now), and ZERO accessories. I've seen the neck piece drop, but have been out lotted twice. Sure my bard has bling falling out for it all over the place, but for Pld? My main? NADA!!

In this game you aren't "leet" if you have gear, you are lucky. Get off your high horse.

T4 isn't the pinnacle: T5 is. I just figure most people who cannot bother to communicate in T2 won't be doing T4 anytime soon. But hey: that's great that you can pass T4 even after employing that method in T2. How's the T5 coming along? Doesn't appear you've cleared it nor do you seem to belong to an FC that clears it.

No one said you are elite if you get gear. My BLM, who has been doing coil since September, hasn't seen pants or an Allagan weapon since September (T4) and November (T5). I just found it funny that I could make an alt and blow through all of it faster than most can do it on their mains with the advantage of mythology gear.

By the way: my first Titan win was, indeed, with 2 tanks. A WAR and a PLD.

Your Elitist tears are delicious, tell us more about how we should play your way. :3

I would but telling someone how to dodge a twister or swap healing on Ifrit is kind of pointless when the player cannot enter either of the two instances and/or cannot get that far in the fight. :X

Did you have any idea what you were doing when you first entered T5? I highly doubt so. Unless you were a clairvoyant or... wait for it... you watched/ read a guide. Guess what? I can do that too whether or not I've cleared T2 using the rot or enrage methods. What exact correlation is there between clearing T2 using the rot method and knowing what to do in T5? Nothing right? Both methods of clearing require good communication between members. Well guess what, I don't need to learn how to communicate in a raid in T2 only. I can also pick up those skills else where. To act like T2 rot method is some kind of gateway to clearing all the hard content in the game is completely silly.

Probability is not quite that hard to understand nor is causation. I'm sorry if you think T2 enrage requires good communication between members: I truly am. I don't think you'd know the difference if you hadn't done both strategies, though.

Guess we'll take the lack of a T5 clear to contradict your point and confirm that communication is a good thing to encourage.

My static are going to continue doing the enrage method to clear Turn 2 because we can. So are many, many others. My gear has been obtained the cheap way and my static took the easy route to Turn 4. I'm a terrible, terrible person for playing the game the casual way and I'll make sure to drop all my ill-gotten loot to make you feel better about your own achievements.

I have no notable loot besides a SCH book and BRD belt so you're welcome to keep yours. You can apologize to me if/when SE decides to continue to design content in this manner. Luckily, things like T5 and Titan Ex tell me that this probably wont be the case.

I did have the chance to try T2 enrage method on my MNK when it first hit 50. Was kind of funny watching them wipe, listening to the rage on TS. We finally won after our 3rd attempt and all I could think after was, "Wow, that was really boring compared to how I learned it." It was a super grueling experience learning it back in September but ooohhhh so rewarding when we finally got it down. That feeling...I wish everyone could experience it.

It just amazes me how people can be satisfied with taking the challenge out of an encounter when so few challenges exist in this game to begin with. Why do you do it, exactly? I can understand the necessity to use it when you are forced to PUG coil...but other than that, as a gamer, shouldn't you seek challenge and overcome it?

It's honestly disturbing to see that some of you think those of us who clear 1-5 weekly really care how you do it. Is T2 gear really that desirable?

How you do it is irrelevant. Why you do it is a much more interesting topic.

[Crysten]

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Here's a simple way to look at it:

- Does every single person play this game for the challenge?
- Does every single player that uses the enrage method suck at the game entirely?
- Does every single player see the triumph of T5 the pinnacle?

If your answer to any of these questions is "yes" - then congratulations - you win nothing as all you've done is describe your own personal game philosophy.

Everyone plays the game for their own personal goals, whether it be to get to 50, beat the story, get a relic, or even be the first in the world to be cutting edge endgame content. I have no interest in beating T5 before the nerf in March because my philosophy in the game right now is to play with my friends and have fun. I'm perfectly content being a step behind everyone else and clearing content at a slower pace if it means I'm having more fun at the end of it all.

If you want to lord that fact over me and generally get yourself angry over it, go nuts. I couldn't care less what you think.

[Hitome]

If you want to lord that fact over me and generally get yourself angry over it, go nuts. I couldn't care less what you think.

I never get why people say such things yet follow/reply to threads like these. lol It's a contradiction.

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Why would you step into coil if not to test your mettle? That's what's so perplexing about this case. You have people in the current endgame dungeon who have to fight a giant snake that splits in two with some interesting mechanics before proceeding to the next phase. After this, you would expect a slightly more difficult challenge in the next turn, yes? But what you are greeted with is a fight that is about as difficult as Tonberry King in WP using a particular method.

What appeal is there in this? It's mixed signals. You want a challenge (or some loot or some fun with friends) so you step into coil. You get that challenge in T1 and then decide you don't want the challenge in T2?

It's like you're delaying the inevitable. So you want to have fun with friends but your friends don't think learning a fight/wiping for a few hours is fun. So, you use a popular strategy to bypass that. You breeze through turn 3 and get to turn 4. You realize that you might need to look some information up beforehand/coordinate some stuff so you may have to wipe for a few hours/learn the fight here. Some people are OK with wiping/learning on turn 4 but not on turn 2? Let's say you are geniuses and don't require much work on turn 4 so you proceed to turn 5. In turn 5, you're presented with a problem though...one you've been avoiding all this time. You now need to sit down and formulate strategies/wipe for hours on end till you actually learn it.

It's also much worse when you think about it from a person's perspective when PUGing coil. Would you want the bar to be set at the hardest content when people have to absolutely start communicating or on an easier fight earlier on? I'd rather people get a wake up call earlier on. That way, overall PUG groups are more prepared to handle things later on.

Anyways, those are just my thoughts and why it is such an interesting issue in my mind. If you could take the time out of your busy day of not caring, would you mind enlightening me?

as if we all didn't take the easy route once in our life.like building a full alliance of black mages and nuking those ark angels to dust.

I'm so glad you brought this memory back to me. You see, back in early (Jan/Feb) 2004 when nuking !@#$ with 14-16 BLMs wasn't a thing, I attempted DM with my sky LS. It took us a while to learn it but was so incredibly fun because of all the neat mechanics that had been designed into the fight and all the coordination that was required to pull off a successful run.

http://i.imgur.com/VLoNRJe.png

Boy that was a long time ago.

When I started nuking it with my BLM LS when we sold runs, I never got the appeal.

People will always take the easier route but the easier route isn't necessarily the most rewarding.

I understand that people want to speed things up and not waste time yet people defending this strategy generally don't use those arguments when asked why they do it. Most of them have a hard time admitting that this strategy is easier, actually. :X You know, like this:

Both methods of clearing require good communication between members. Well guess what, I don't need to learn how to communicate in a raid in T2.

Just a sad state of affairs I guess. Nothing to do with elitism or ego.

[Psychosamm]

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Ever stop to think maybe people don't care if they do things the easy way? That people just do coil for the lewtz and not to show everyone else how awesome they are? Why do you care how other people play? Play how you want and leave others alone. When it comes to playing with other people, then just play with those that agree with you instead of being condescending to others.

[Hitome]

Ever stop to think maybe people don't care if they do things the easy way? That people just do coil for the lewtz and not to show everyone else how awesome they are? Why do you care how other people play? Play how you want and leave others alone. When it comes to playing with other people, then just play with those that agree with you instead of being condescending to others.

Hm in order to understand why I care, you would need to have read the past few pages. I'll be uncondescending, though, and summarize for you:

●I would like people to experience that gratifying feeling after successfully overcoming a tough challenge
●I do not want developers to get the wrong idea, thinking this is how we want fights designed...though I do think encouraging multiple ways to do a fight is the way to go

Since I do not do turn 2 outside of my two statics, I am not able to do anything but leave others alone. Even when my MNK first hit 50, I didn't mind when the PUG group I joined wanted to use the enrage strategy. After watching them in turn 1, I wasn't confident they would be able to do the other two strategies so I was OK with them using one that they knew.

I would really like to DF this come 2.2 but don't think it's very feasible, unfortunately.