t2 got ninja nerfed?

[Delorean]

Can anyone actually confirm this? I don't think we need more of those "hey, you got your title wrong" posts, it's pretty clear he made a little mistake there.

it's all about perspective. If you nerf a particular strategy, it becomes less effective.

this is one of the reasons why the English language is so difficult to learn; there are many different ways to express oneself with just a few words. But I suppose I am just arguing semantics as well.

PS: enrage haters really need to find better arguments that they are currently using because beating an horse's skeleton is starting to get old.

I've never done enrage method.

I at least thought it was popular because it was faster, but a few weeks ago I heard that it was slower.

Can't understand why anyone would do it.

[Psychosamm]

Wahhhh

Your Elitist tears are delicious, tell us more about how we should play your way. :3

[SinisterJoint]

i never understood the argument against enrage. tbh, it all seemed to come off elitist and superior as in how dare anyone take the 'easy' way out.

For me at least, It's not an elitist or trying to be superior. To me you are crippling yourself, so instead of learning how to deal with a mechanic, you completely avoid it. How does this help the community as a whole? It's actually making elitism worse simply because now you are gonna get laughed out of the group because you have no clue how to deal with mechanics.

That is my issue with it. It sucks soooo bad when you form a pug for T2 and half of the raid group has NEVER done it the normal way.. WUT???

Don't know if you realize it or not, but a big part of the reason passing rot with pugs is so difficult is because so very few pugs have ever even seen the rot phase. Most of them do enrage because a toddler could pull it off.

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What I don't understand is why one of the main arguments against enrage is that it "takes longer"? Sure we wait around a few extra minutes for the boss to enrage but how is that a minus at all? "It took me 45 mins instead of 40 mins to clear t1-4 today" Ok? It's 5 extra minutes that you were probably gonna spend doing nothing anyway. Stop using "enrage takes longer" as a negative thing against enrage mode since it doesn't actually take that much longer than rot method. If enrage mode took half an hour vs 5 mins for rot, then I'd understand the argument but you're putting people down over 5 MINUTES of wasted time. -_-

Also, I do enrage method to clear t2 and STILL clear t4 every week. Just because I use a method not approved of by elitists, doesn't mean I don't have the skills to clear t4. T4 is not that hard if you put in the effort to learn the mechanics.

Do you clear turn 5? No? Well stop gimping yourself and learn how to deal with mechanics.

Honest opinion of this whole thing? Go ahead and do enrage method, I don't give two poops. Don't come crying to me when I boot you from my party though because you have NFC what you are doing. It's just that simple.

I'm just tired of the "we want ezmode" gamers these days, it's pathetic really. Cant wait for all the tears coming when 2.2 hits.

"OMGZ Turn 6-9 TOO HARD!!!"

Lol.... CAN'T WAIT FOR IT!

[AlphaDragoon]

My Coil group and I don't use the enrage method but if SE themselves have said TWICE that it's not an exploit and is a valid strategy then damn, leave the people who use it be.

And before anyone comes with the "beat Twintania or your opinion is not valid" excuse, I already have.

[SulwynCaliope]

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Did you have any idea what you were doing when you first entered T5? I highly doubt so. Unless you were a clairvoyant or... wait for it... you watched/ read a guide. Guess what? I can do that too whether or not I've cleared T2 using the rot or enrage methods. What exact correlation is there between clearing T2 using the rot method and knowing what to do in T5? Nothing right? Both methods of clearing require good communication between members. Well guess what, I don't need to learn how to communicate in a raid in T2 only. I can also pick up those skills else where. To act like T2 rot method is some kind of gateway to clearing all the hard content in the game is completely silly.

[EdwardVB]

Wow so much hate on enrage method... It's just another way to beat something I'm actually happy FF has this kind of option. It's boring if there's only one solid plan to beat a boss and kudos to whoever thought of it.

[Hitome]

Are you going to tell me you DIDN'T get your first relic in a 1 tank setup for titan HM?
Do you think you are "leet" because you have gear? You keep throwing up T4 as some sort of pinnacle (it's not). I've been doing this coil crap for months now. Back in early Oct, I got Pld pants in my first T2 kill (the "right" way if it matters). Since then, I've gotten the ugly ass shield (which most of my static has now), and ZERO accessories. I've seen the neck piece drop, but have been out lotted twice. Sure my bard has bling falling out for it all over the place, but for Pld? My main? NADA!!

In this game you aren't "leet" if you have gear, you are lucky. Get off your high horse.

T4 isn't the pinnacle: T5 is. I just figure most people who cannot bother to communicate in T2 won't be doing T4 anytime soon. But hey: that's great that you can pass T4 even after employing that method in T2. How's the T5 coming along? Doesn't appear you've cleared it nor do you seem to belong to an FC that clears it.

No one said you are elite if you get gear. My BLM, who has been doing coil since September, hasn't seen pants or an Allagan weapon since September (T4) and November (T5). I just found it funny that I could make an alt and blow through all of it faster than most can do it on their mains with the advantage of mythology gear.

By the way: my first Titan win was, indeed, with 2 tanks. A WAR and a PLD.

Your Elitist tears are delicious, tell us more about how we should play your way. :3

I would but telling someone how to dodge a twister or swap healing on Ifrit is kind of pointless when the player cannot enter either of the two instances and/or cannot get that far in the fight. :X

Did you have any idea what you were doing when you first entered T5? I highly doubt so. Unless you were a clairvoyant or... wait for it... you watched/ read a guide. Guess what? I can do that too whether or not I've cleared T2 using the rot or enrage methods. What exact correlation is there between clearing T2 using the rot method and knowing what to do in T5? Nothing right? Both methods of clearing require good communication between members. Well guess what, I don't need to learn how to communicate in a raid in T2 only. I can also pick up those skills else where. To act like T2 rot method is some kind of gateway to clearing all the hard content in the game is completely silly.

Probability is not quite that hard to understand nor is causation. I'm sorry if you think T2 enrage requires good communication between members: I truly am. I don't think you'd know the difference if you hadn't done both strategies, though.

Guess we'll take the lack of a T5 clear to contradict your point and confirm that communication is a good thing to encourage.

My static are going to continue doing the enrage method to clear Turn 2 because we can. So are many, many others. My gear has been obtained the cheap way and my static took the easy route to Turn 4. I'm a terrible, terrible person for playing the game the casual way and I'll make sure to drop all my ill-gotten loot to make you feel better about your own achievements.

I have no notable loot besides a SCH book and BRD belt so you're welcome to keep yours. You can apologize to me if/when SE decides to continue to design content in this manner. Luckily, things like T5 and Titan Ex tell me that this probably wont be the case.

I did have the chance to try T2 enrage method on my MNK when it first hit 50. Was kind of funny watching them wipe, listening to the rage on TS. We finally won after our 3rd attempt and all I could think after was, "Wow, that was really boring compared to how I learned it." It was a super grueling experience learning it back in September but ooohhhh so rewarding when we finally got it down. That feeling...I wish everyone could experience it.

It just amazes me how people can be satisfied with taking the challenge out of an encounter when so few challenges exist in this game to begin with. Why do you do it, exactly? I can understand the necessity to use it when you are forced to PUG coil...but other than that, as a gamer, shouldn't you seek challenge and overcome it?

It's honestly disturbing to see that some of you think those of us who clear 1-5 weekly really care how you do it. Is T2 gear really that desirable?

How you do it is irrelevant. Why you do it is a much more interesting topic.

[HumsterMKX]

Whao seriously.... i thought 20++ pages ppl would have gotten the idea that enrage mode or normal modes are both acceptable...

Still there are arguments that doing xyz is the correct way or GTFO, clear xyz content then come talk.

[Hysterior]

Has been fixed.
Case closed.

[SinisterJoint]

Did you have any idea what you were doing when you first entered T5? I highly doubt so. Unless you were a clairvoyant or... wait for it... you watched/ read a guide. Guess what? I can do that too whether or not I've cleared T2 using the rot or enrage methods. What exact correlation is there between clearing T2 using the rot method and knowing what to do in T5? Nothing right? Both methods of clearing require good communication between members. Well guess what, I don't need to learn how to communicate in a raid in T2 only. I can also pick up those skills else where. To act like T2 rot method is some kind of gateway to clearing all the hard content in the game is completely silly.

I sure didn't. But guess what... wait for it... I learned the mechanics!!! OMGOSH!!! The correlation between the 2 is if you cant do a simple mechanic as passing rot, than there isn't any hope for you to get through conflags, divebombs, twisters, dreadknights either. Enrage requires communication?? Really now... in what way? Please enlighten me to it because running in at 1 click and then dogpiling and chain ae healing and dpsing requires 0 skill and 0 communication.

T2 It is a gateway quite honestly, because at first when you are learning it, it IS a hard mechanic. If it wasn't then guess what...... people would do it the normal way because it IS faster, whether by 5 minutes or not, it is.

TO deny the fact that T2 wasn't a gateway is just silly, otherwise so many other people wouldn't have been stuck on it. T2 is a great place to learn how to communicate because there is so much going on at once (at least for some people it can be quite overwhelming).

Like I've said in my other posts, want to do enrage to avoid mechanics? go for it... you are only gimping yourself in future content.

Wow so much hate on enrage method... It's just another way to beat something I'm actually happy FF has this kind of option. It's boring if there's only one solid plan to beat a boss and kudos to whoever thought of it.

Except, it's not another way to beat something, its a way to circumvent mechanics. There is a BIG difference.

It just amazes me how people can be satisfied with taking the challenge out of an encounter when so few challenges exist in this game to begin with.
How you do it is irrelevant. Why you do it is a much more interesting topic.

^ this