t2 got ninja nerfed?

[Farah]

Yet the DF composition still requires two tanks.

Easy to see why they wanted you to have two tanks in Titan to alternate CDs for MB. Perhaps a PLD pops sent and ramp for one then trades off with another tank that has his CDs up.

But rejoice: your gimmick won't quite be reverted yet and you'll still be able to get your turn 2 loot while being stuck on turn 4 at the same time because you forgot to learn communication in turn 2! Yay!

My static group does just fine with our setup, even if it isn't the generic party. We get past turn 2 and 4 no problem. Party set up doesn't matter as long as you get along with your static. Who cares if we do turn 2 with 3 healers, 1 tank, 2 bards, a monk, and a summoner? We have no trouble switching to rot method or enrage. My static is also really flexible, so anyone can switch to any jobs between turns, and it still works out. DF parties don't determine how a party should be fixed up. It just takes players willing to work together with what they got.

[Hitome]

My static group does just fine with our setup, even if it isn't the generic party. We get past turn 2 and 4 no problem. Party set up doesn't matter as long as you get along with your static. Who cares if we do turn 2 with 3 healers, 1 tank, 2 bards, a monk, and a summoner? We have no trouble switching to rot method or enrage. My static is also really flexible, so anyone can switch to any jobs between turns, and it still works out. DF parties don't determine how a party should be fixed up. It just takes players willing to work together with what they got.

If you can do it with rot, there is no point in using enrage.

DF parties do determine how a party should be fixed because not ONE DF party has deviated from the 2 tank, 2 healer, 4 DPS routine. This is the director's vision. Sure: discover neat tricks/tactics to make fights easier. Don't bother removing a majority of the boss mechanics and calling it strategy, though.

[Farah]

If you can do it with rot, there is no point in using enrage.

DF parties do determine how a party should be fixed because not ONE DF party has deviated from the 2 tank, 2 healer, 4 DPS routine. This is the director's vision. Sure: discover neat tricks/tactics to make fights easier. Don't bother removing a majority of the boss mechanics and calling it strategy, though.

We only do the enrage mode when someone needs to take pee break, phone call, etc. or just for the fun of it, cause it looks like we are having a seizure-tastic disco party. I think you need to lighten up some and stop worrying how others play the game. When you go into a dungeon with a group of not the generic set up, does it tell you that you can't enter? No? Then it must be fine to do it that way.

I once ran WP on my monk with another monk, blm, and sch. We couldn't find a tank so me and the other monk just switched back and forth tanking. Worked fine. Being creative with parties is part of the fun of the game.

[SulwynCaliope]

What I don't understand is why one of the main arguments against enrage is that it "takes longer"? Sure we wait around a few extra minutes for the boss to enrage but how is that a minus at all? "It took me 45 mins instead of 40 mins to clear t1-4 today" Ok? It's 5 extra minutes that you were probably gonna spend doing nothing anyway. Stop using "enrage takes longer" as a negative thing against enrage mode since it doesn't actually take that much longer than rot method. If enrage mode took half an hour vs 5 mins for rot, then I'd understand the argument but you're putting people down over 5 MINUTES of wasted time. -_-

Also, I do enrage method to clear t2 and STILL clear t4 every week. Just because I use a method not approved of by elitists, doesn't mean I don't have the skills to clear t4. T4 is not that hard if you put in the effort to learn the mechanics.

[PandaPause]

What I don't understand is why one of the main arguments against enrage is that it "takes longer"? Sure we wait around a few extra minutes for the boss to enrage but how is that a minus at all? "It took me 45 mins instead of 40 mins to clear t1-4 today" Ok? It's 5 extra minutes that you were probably gonna spend doing nothing anyway. Stop using "enrage takes longer" as a negative thing against enrage mode since it doesn't actually take that much longer than rot method. If enrage mode took half an hour vs 5 mins for rot, then I'd understand the argument but you're putting people down over 5 MINUTES of wasted time. -_-

Also, I do enrage method to clear t2 and STILL clear t4 every week. Just because I use a method not approved of by elitists, doesn't mean I don't have the skills to clear t4. T4 is not that hard if you put in the effort to learn the mechanics.

Nailed it.

[starswept]

Quote.

Exactly.
The "It takes longer" and "enrage method people wont pass t4" arguments are extremely silly and hold no weight. LFBetter arguments pls.
Let people do it how they want. They arent hacking or forcing a glitch.

[chocomaid]

I really don't mind variation in tactics, promoting different set ups so people can alternate in FC so everybody is happy. Variation in playstyle and tactics to have many different outcomes is what makes games in general fun, not just mmo's. Seeing both side's arguments I'm still gonna go with the normal tactics.

I just don't understand why an "Enrage" mechanic is being healed through as it is there to KILL the group, if it is not doing that, then it's not doing it's job as an enrage mechanic.

Promotion of friendliness, variation in strat/setup gogo. Faulty mechanics, nono. I'm not very focused in raiding as most people in this thread but just voicing a point.

[alhandra]

gonna be hella funny when coil goes into DF and requires the standard 2 2 4 setup to enter. turn 2 gonna be a ghost town

[MorbidAngel]

Not sure if this point has been brought up yet, but people are forgetting that the likely hood that you wipe during enrage with a pug is a lot less than a pug passing rot.

[Farah]

gonna be hella funny when coil goes into DF and requires the standard 2 2 4 setup to enter. turn 2 gonna be a ghost town

If you go in with a static group, which is what a lot of people do, it won't change anything. You aren't required to have that set up. If you are DFing coil you are going to have a bad time anyway, no matter the set up.