I am getting irritated with Summoner in endgame content

[Hitome]

The only fight in the game where AoE is very important, which is Coil Turn 4, SMN is just as good as BLM.

This is why, on turn 4, that I am at 26% while everyone else (including the SMN) hovers around 19-21%? lol Clearly SMN isn't better on turn 4 than a BLM if you seek maximum damage through job mechanics.

Sorry but it seems you do not play your BLM as well as you think.

There is absolutely no reason a SMN will ever beat a BLM in turn 4. Ever. I AoE things down so fast that your DoTs do not even have a chance to run their full duration. Given that double flare is still viable and is actually the optimal AoE rotation now, there isn't a way for a SMN to keep up in short term AoE instances as seen in turn 4.

Same story with Titan egis. You will not have a chance to apply your full DoTs before I have flared them twice (including Titan) and lined up my 3rd flare for the finisher.

Any fight with AoE that is longer than 30 seconds is pretty much T5 snakes...which I destroy SMNs in regularly. You can bane all you like but when I am chaining flares back to back it doesn't do much for you.

Less, of course, you were unaware of how to properly use BLM AoE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82L9IbUPMxU

As a BLM who has been playing since release, running turn 4 since late September, and running turn 5 weekly since mid November, I often find that the populace of BLMs who think they're 'good' at the job are, in fact, not.

Given that, I still have not seen pants from turn 4, my Allagan weapon, or any caster drops besides what you see on me. Yet I still run circles around SMNs with Allagan weapons and BiS gear in Titan Ex.

To be specific: he has Allagan book which is more weapon damage than my Elder Staff (huge), he has Allagan body (pure DPS) where I use AF2 body (contains ACC), and has the advantage when it comes to a movement-intensive fight. However, the results are pretty clear:

http://i.imgur.com/SuF85aj.png

I find I'd rather be using my SMN (if I had the Allagan gear) on turn 1 and MAYBE turn 5. As of tonight, I finally outparsed my FC mate who has full BiS gear on his MNK while on my BLM by playing super aggressive and altering our LB phase slightly. I'd rather take 1 BLM to T5 for lethargy.

And looky where the SMN is (he also has Allagan weapon):

http://i.imgur.com/sSObG8Y.png

That parse includes me using the LB instead of the SMN (where, if he had used the LB, I could have pushed out much more DPS than I did). BLM AoE shines in turn 5 pre-Twin and on both snake phases.

Where SMNs excel is where they can multidot targets that are not close together (i.e., where BLM AoE isn't feasible) such as T1 and T4. The problem with multidot on T4 is that soldiers die too fast. Dreads are the only place you really can shine and the majority of the fight is not spent fighting them. The entire premise is that SMN DPS is often superior in movement-intensive fights. Guess which style of fight T4 is? Not movement-intensive. Guess what that means? BLM single target + AoE rotation >> SMN damage on this specific turn.


As I've said: most people do not know how to play BLM so why bother trying? Go with the easy class and leave the class more dependent on min/maxing to the more skilled.

Edit: Honestly, after looking at your SMN, you can disregard the above. These situations do not apply to you.

[Craiger]

This is why, on turn 4, that I am at 26% while everyone else (including the SMN) hovers around 19-21%? lol Clearly SMN isn't better on turn 4 than a BLM if you seek maximum damage through job mechanics.

Sorry but it seems you do not play your BLM as well as you think.

There is absolutely no reason a SMN will ever beat a BLM in turn 4. Ever. I AoE things down so fast that your DoTs do not even have a chance to run their full duration. Given that double flare is still viable and is actually the optimal AoE rotation now, there isn't a way for a SMN to keep up in short term AoE instances as seen in turn 4.

Same story with Titan egis. You will not have a chance to apply your full DoTs before I have flared them twice (including Titan) and lined up my 3rd flare for the finisher.

Any fight with AoE that is longer than 30 seconds is pretty much T5 snakes...which I destroy SMNs in regularly. You can bane all you like but when I am chaining flares back to back it doesn't do much for you.

Less, of course, you were unaware of how to properly use BLM AoE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82L9IbUPMxU

As a BLM who has been playing since release, running turn 4 since late September, and running turn 5 weekly since mid November, I often find that the populace of BLMs who think they're 'good' at the job are, in fact, not.

Given that, I still have not seen pants from turn 4, my Allagan weapon, or any caster drops besides what you see on me. Yet I still run circles around SMNs with Allagan weapons and BiS gear in Titan Ex.

To be specific: he has Allagan book which is more weapon damage than my Elder Staff (huge), he has Allagan body (pure DPS) where I use AF2 body (contains ACC), and has the advantage when it comes to a movement-intensive fight. However, the results are pretty clear:

http://i.imgur.com/SuF85aj.png

I find I'd rather be using my SMN (if I had the Allagan gear) on turn 1 and MAYBE turn 5. As of tonight, I finally outparsed my FC mate who has full BiS gear on his MNK while on my BLM by playing super aggressive and altering our LB phase slightly. I'd rather take 1 BLM to T5 for lethargy.

And looky where the SMN is (he also has Allagan weapon):

http://i.imgur.com/sSObG8Y.png

That parse includes me using the LB instead of the SMN (where, if he had used the LB, I could have pushed out much more DPS than I did). BLM AoE shines in turn 5 pre-Twin and on both snake phases.

As I've said: most people do not know how to play BLM so why bother trying? Go with the easy class and leave the class more dependent on min/maxing to the more skilled.

Edit: Honestly, after looking at your SMN, you can disregard the above. These situations do not apply to you.

Why are you rambling about who's best ? I simply said that SMN is up there with BLM in AoE sometimes.... Not better. And Maybe if both play at their best (how do I know your SMN's does that ?), BLM is on top, but it's not like it is a big problem....

2 SMN's is going to kill those adds very fast too, maybe not as fast, but fast enough to easily finish the job.

The OP was saying that BLM is better in every way, which certainly isn't true... They might be better at AoE, but SMN surely beats them in single target dps, so both are good. So no point in arguing who's best.

[Madoka]

Same story with Titan egis. You will not have a chance to apply your full DoTs before I have flared them twice (including Titan) and lined up my 3rd flare for the finisher.

I use RS and drop dots on titan right after he comes down from heart. OT moves the egis, I give them a second for hate and slap bane.

Also for your parsing it doesn't look like you're adding the SMN and Garuda together. Also just as there are bad BLM, there are also bad SMNs.

[Hitome]

Why are you rambling about who's best ? I simply said that SMN is up there with BLM in AoE sometimes.... Not better. And Maybe if both play at their best (how do I know your SMN's does that ?), BLM is on top, but it's not like it is a big problem....

Nope this is what you said:

As a SMN and BLM player, I can say that BLM isn't a "better option" in any way. In fact I think it's the other way around

Glad we cleared that up.

The OP was saying that BLM is better in every way, which certainly isn't true... They might be better at AoE, but SMN surely beats them in single target dps, so both are good. So no point in arguing who's best.

The OP was saying that he finds SMN annoying and that rolling BLM would be easier: not that one was better than the other. He also said BLM AoE DPS is superior. This is a fact. Not sure why we are even having this debate.

SMNs run circles around BLMs when they are able to multidot targets far apart and when movement is involved. Otherwise, SMN AoE is meh (better than the other classes) and their single target is adequate.

However, if there is no movement (turn 4), SMN will be about equal to a BLM. Your single target rotation doesn't have the PPS that the BLM rotation does. For every other fight with movement, your statement is correct.

1SMN + 1BLM will kills the adds faster than 2 SMN or 2 BLM.

Indeed. I like this combination the best. Just thought I'd correct some misconceptions..namely, BLM AoE DPS on turn 4 being superior and AoE dps on egis being superior. The rest of Titan favors SMNs quite a bit.

I use RS and drop dots on titan right after he comes down from heart. OT moves the egis, I give them a second for hate and slap bane.

Also for your parsing it doesn't look like you're adding the SMN and Garuda together. Also just as there are bad BLM, there are also bad SMNs.

First parse: SMN + egi = 19% damage
Second parse: SMn + egi = 13% + 5% = 18%

You can pop RS, sure. The question is: does it last long enough for your DoTs (at least bio 1) to tick? No, because 3 flares + the other two DPS beating on it = dead egis within 15 seconds.

I agree with your second statement.

Which ties into the OP: SMNs do just fine. Learning the tricks of the trade are something you are just going to have to deal with or reroll a BLM. An amazing SMN can be quite a fun thing to play compared to the alternative you're considering (BLM).

[Viridiana]

You can pop RS, sure. The question is: does it last long enough for your DoTs (at least bio 1) to tick? No, because 3 flares + the other two DPS beating on it = dead egis within 15 seconds.

Huh? 15 seconds is almost the full duration of Bio. That's enough time for 550 potency (660 with RS) worth of dots to hit all 3 targets, not counting Garuda or what the SMN continues casting in those 15 seconds. I mean, yeah, Flare is powerful and all, but to say that 660 potency of dots is completely outshone by the other DPS seems a bit disingenuous. . .

[Wrydas]

News flash hitome, you're both pulling garbage dps, and if you look at the parser more closely the smn is doing very close to your dps with garuda included, considering its only doing 55 damage it must have died atleast once in the fight nerfing his overall damage pretty hard. You really shouldn't be talking as if you're all that when by your own parser... you're really not. I end that fight with 240+ dps and 70 dps on garuda when I get to do fester spam, meaning I'm not in a sale with only 3 dps and can actually avoid using bane fester for the gourd. Keep in mind those numbers do not include shadow flare....

[Marcusow86]

Bravo *thumbs up*

Give this gurl a medal! Her comments were spot on.

Hitome, look at your own parser and you can seriously tell me you are proud of your DPS?? Well, at least your team member is pulling out the same level of DPS as you did, maybe that is why you have the delusion of being good in DPS.

I don't care whether you can spam flare like a machine gun or hit like a truck. All i can see is you are having a grudge towards your party member who happens to be a SMN. Maybe he stole your gear in coil or something but this is not the right platform for you to vent your anger.

[xEscaflownex]

http://i.imgur.com/SuF85aj.png

As of tonight, I finally outparsed my FC mate who has full BiS gear on his MNK while on my BLM by playing super aggressive and altering our LB phase slightly. I'd rather take 1 BLM to T5 for lethargy.

And looky where the SMN is (he also has Allagan weapon):

http://i.imgur.com/sSObG8Y.png

That parse includes me using the LB instead of the SMN (where, if he had used the LB, I could have pushed out much more DPS than I did). BLM AoE shines in turn 5 pre-Twin and on both snake phases.

Maybe YOU don't play BLM as well as you think ha, for all your trash talk the DPS numbers you've provided as proof of your "awesomeness" aren't very impressive.

http://i.imgur.com/WfJgDBU.png

That's with admittedly derping on rotation a few times, getting conflagged, and Dreadknight stunned twice, and the encounter culling going past the end of the fight - if the example you highlighted was you doing your best, then you've got some room to improve (and your MNK does as well).


As for bragging about 224 DPS on titan, LOL, give me a few min I will go get you parse of what you SHOULD be doing on titan.