Tank and heal shortage

[Moirear]

All of your examples are DPS checks, though. So DPS's only real responsibility is DPS checks, ergo knowing their rotation.

Wow, so difficult.

DPS also have to dodge a lot more, and not only know their rotation, but rely on the tank to set up proper postions (melee dps) or not pull out or range or LoS (ranged/caster dps). They have support abilities they should use to take load off of healers and tanks.

People like you who act like DPS roles are a walk in the park are a significant part of the problem: why there are so many terrible dps players.

I went from DPS and healing roles to tanking and it is 1000x less stressful and less work to me. Defensive cooldown rotations are actually easier than 99% of all dps rotations sans the lowest-levels of them. The only difficult parts I found were late endgame with tank swapping or stun/silence duties, and not even that is particularly hard once you macro it out. Some duties are a complete joke as a tank, like Titan HM, where they are a terror on DPS and healers.

My argument is thusly that it is BS that people act like there's so much difficulty in tanking and people are terrified of doing it, when it's actually being played up and they should actually be terrified of dps (twitch game) and healer (micro-management) roles.

I tank a lot more than anything else these days because it queues instantly and I feel a lot more comfortable doing it over the hectic of dps or healing.

[DefendPopPunk]

DPS also have to dodge a lot more, and not only know their rotation, but rely on the tank to set up proper postions (melee dps) or not pull out or range or LoS (ranged/caster dps). They have support abilities they should use to take load off of healers and tanks.

Still sounds like part of their job is done by tanks. I mean by this you're basically saying if the tank doesn't do his job for the DPS, they end up not doing much damage...or can't play their jobs right (doing damage?). So...yeah, tank still has to do more of the work.

[Verius_Nox]

People like you who act like DPS roles are a walk in the park are a significant part of the problem: why there are so many terrible dps players.

People like me, eh?

Well, since you want to get to know me so well, I'll go ahead and inform you that I've played multiple DPS jobs at 50 as well as my tank, and have done endgamey-wamey things with them. It -is- a walk in the park.

[Moirear]

People like me, eh?

Well, since you want to get to know me so well, I'll go ahead and inform you that I've played multiple DPS jobs at 50 as well as my tank, and have done endgamey-wamey things with them. It -is- a walk in the park.

Compared to tanking?

IME way too many tanks act like it's so hard to do, because they want the praise and adulation. It's far easier than DPSing or healing, IMHO. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

I know I queue every day as PLD or WAR so I'm actually combatting the problem, as opposed to pretending tanking is so hard and scaring people off of it...

[Doo]

I know I queue every day as PLD or WAR so I'm actually combatting the problem, as opposed to pretending tanking is so hard and scaring people off of it...

It's easy when you do dungeons but it gets harder when you're doing say Garuda Ext. Grab adds, hold aggro, grab spiny , watch for stacks, pop cd for ww, get into the right positions, and watch for slipstream from both adds. Any of these slip ups result can result in the party wiping. Compared to a dds role of just dpsing down stuff. Healer has to esuna windburn and get ready to heal incoming ww damage.

Then you have fights like Ultima HM and Titan HM where it's mostly on the healers to be able to keep up the healing.

[Dedayius]

Compared to tanking?

IME way too many tanks act like it's so hard to do, because they want the praise and adulation. It's far easier than DPSing or healing, IMHO. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

I know I queue every day as PLD or WAR so I'm actually combatting the problem, as opposed to pretending tanking is so hard and scaring people off of it...

Everyone will have their own opinion naturally, but the general consensus is tanking/healing are more difficult/have more responsibility than DPS. You can count me among those who have both a tank and DPS in end-game and find that playing a tank is more difficult and stressful than my DPS.

[Verius_Nox]

Compared to tanking?

IME way too many tanks act like it's so hard to do, because they want the praise and adulation. It's far easier than DPSing or healing, IMHO. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.

I know I queue every day as PLD or WAR so I'm actually combatting the problem, as opposed to pretending tanking is so hard and scaring people off of it...

You can quit the condescending attitude anytime you like.

Since you say you queue everyday, tell me which Extreme Primal is more involved as a DPS than a tank? Where is the responsibility beyond a DPS check in Twintania?

[eagledorf]

You can quit the condescending attitude anytime you like.

Since you say you queue everyday, tell me which Extreme Primal is more involved as a DPS than a tank? Where is the responsibility beyond a DPS check in Twintania?

Every EX primal is far more involved as DPS than as a tank for a greater fraction of the fight with the notable exception of Garuda (if the tanks position everything including the plumes well it's very easy for the DPS). I've done them all on both (I've tanked everything in the game except t5 and, for some strange reason, t2). There is one moment where tanking is really hard in Titan EX where the adds landslide right after Titan does landslide and...oh wait...Tempered Will/Hallowed Ground/Holmgang... The only other real difficulty is knowing not to swap tanks right before a landslide and knowing that there are adds to pick up...

The difference is if one of two tanks dies at the wrong time, it's a guaranteed wipe. If one of the two tanks falls off ever, it's a guaranteed wipe. If one DPS does either of these things it's possibly (probably) still possible to win.

[Dedayius]

...oh wait...Tempered Will/Hallowed Ground/Holmgang...

Did they fix Holmgang yet? Last I saw, Holmgang does not prevent knockbacks and was to be fixed at some non-specific date in the future.

[eagledorf]

Did they fix Holmgang yet? Last I saw, Holmgang does not prevent knockbacks and was to be fixed at some non-specific date in the future.

Hmm, I haven't done them on WAR, clearly, but I thought that was fixed recently? If not, then yes, I suppose that's moment is relatively high stress for a WAR.

Edit: Yes, that was fixed in 2.15 according to the patch notes so every tank has a knockback immunity move.