Tank and heal shortage

[Zplinter]

Personal View: I am a tank, I am a Healer. I have even done summoner. I can log in and get a 4/8 man team to run about anything I am interested in as a tank or healer easy peasey, and I will NEVER willingly go near Duty Finder. It is not about the fact that in this game tanking mechicanics are fairly simple, nor is it the fact that SE seems to think that my position does not really need to be updated all that often in a fight. The rude, foul mouth, ego centric players are what keeps me from going near DF.

I have seen tanks being accused of having a "god complex," and there ARE some that are total twits, same goes for every class. It is the players hiding behind a screen name acting like an 8 year old with tourettes that drives me from Queuing up in a DF.

The first thing I do an any mmo dating back to UO is find a guild/fleet/clan/corp/company of mature players. Once I find them why would I willingly subject myself to the above? The reality is that good FC do not have a tank or healer shortage, and for good reason.

End of my personal opinion.
Have a great Monday!

[eagledorf]

You can quit the condescending attitude anytime you like.

Since you say you queue everyday, tell me which Extreme Primal is more involved as a DPS than a tank? Where is the responsibility beyond a DPS check in Twintania?

Every EX primal is far more involved as DPS than as a tank for a greater fraction of the fight with the notable exception of Garuda (if the tanks position everything including the plumes well it's very easy for the DPS). I've done them all on both (I've tanked everything in the game except t5 and, for some strange reason, t2). There is one moment where tanking is really hard in Titan EX where the adds landslide right after Titan does landslide and...oh wait...Tempered Will/Hallowed Ground/Holmgang... The only other real difficulty is knowing not to swap tanks right before a landslide and knowing that there are adds to pick up...

The difference is if one of two tanks dies at the wrong time, it's a guaranteed wipe. If one of the two tanks falls off ever, it's a guaranteed wipe. If one DPS does either of these things it's possibly (probably) still possible to win.

[Dedayius]

...oh wait...Tempered Will/Hallowed Ground/Holmgang...

Did they fix Holmgang yet? Last I saw, Holmgang does not prevent knockbacks and was to be fixed at some non-specific date in the future.

[eagledorf]

Did they fix Holmgang yet? Last I saw, Holmgang does not prevent knockbacks and was to be fixed at some non-specific date in the future.

Hmm, I haven't done them on WAR, clearly, but I thought that was fixed recently? If not, then yes, I suppose that's moment is relatively high stress for a WAR.

Edit: Yes, that was fixed in 2.15 according to the patch notes so every tank has a knockback immunity move.

[Slatervonjager]

I used to tank in this game, but got sick of it because of bad parties. Healers that can't do their job correctly(seriously if the tank dies due to a party wipe move, ok, but if the tank dies because the healer is more focused on their DPS then something is wrong), DDs running out ahead of the tank and grabbing aggro, people trying to tell you how to tank when they've never seen you before nor has the dungeon/boss fight even begun, etc. It became such an annoyance, I quit tanking, I love tanking I do.. If I do tank, I only tank for friends because no one else deserves it. Until people can stop being idiots, I don't expect there to be an increase in the number of tanks at all.

[NefGP]

The lockouts are the biggest culprit, coupled with the horrible RNG on CT and Coil.

It's enough of a pain as it is getting your main job to i90, god help you if you want to decently gear your other jobs as well. I don't think I've seen a single piece of tanking gear out of Coil yet (only being doing it for about a month now but still...)

I have every job @ 50 and like playing different roles from time to time because I get bored playing just 1, but realistically I just can't gear everything. It doesn't help that the majority of PF on Excalibur are elitists who only want people with i85 or higher and generally won't accept MNK or DRG... really starting to hate the game lately. It's not even that XI was more open (and it was mostly) but just the community, at least on my server disgusts me.

[lxSch]

@ Demetirus
People level up so fast - they don't have enough time to learn the dungeon. Recently i had a 'qarn city' run where i80 pld was 1-shot by bees, and then he killed that stone head not on a block. Then he probably got mad (pretty much soloed that head) and stopped flashing aggro, i stopped healing... But we finished it. I didn't say a word, neither any other people did, but i think everyone were upset.
It was a bad experience, but noone said a word, i think it would be much worse if people started to say what they thought. I think that pld was good, just forgot how to run this dungeon (he had mostly CT armor).
What was really pulling us down is the summoner (1st time + undergeared), being that pld friend - she didn't know tactics either, but that is what duty finder for - to help new people to pass something.

[lxSch]

About healer not healing: i usually wait for tanker hp to go down to 40% hp before i start healing, that way i know he has some aggro on, so i wont pull some mobs on me. If mobs go after healer - they will interrupt almost every cast, is a guaranteed party wipe, so if tanker keeps pulling more than he can hold - i just stop healing... Dps can take a mob from healer, but it will drain healer mana fast, so still will be a wipe.
About healer dps: is always a bad idea, but if team keeps wiping because dps are too weak - imo worth a try, but not from start. 1000 char.

[eagledorf]

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O.o

I disagree with pretty much everything you just said. I dps a lot on my scholar in everything except the hardest "endgame" content. I.E. In every dungeon and every fight that is not "extreme" mode or Titan. The slow from Shadow Flare actually saves on heals for a large enough a group of mobs.

Waiting to heal until your tank is down to 50% or less makes sense only if you're using that time to DPS. Both Flash and Overpower are more than strong enough to keep mobs off the healer, especially a scholar.

[Ramira]

I see more Summoner healers in CT then I do White Mage's.

We are a dying breed, blarg.