Mantra and Bard

[Darkstatic107]

ya you need a brd for mages ballaf. you also need enough dps though so an i50 brd is not too likely to cut it. if your healers were i90 may not need ballad, not sure

All bard gear that has dropped has gone to me as well as gear i've gotten from the past two weeks in CT. I also have saved up philo tomes and myth tomes to buy enough gear to have myself covered.

We are a fresh group, this is only our second week together. We have reached phase 6 of turn 4 numerous times but our dps is not quite there. Particularly my dps as a smn is not quite there since I am saving all my tomes for bard gear. Ive brought up this up and mentioned gearing out my smn with my tomes which would probably fix a lot of our issues, but apparently a bard is more important than a smn and since I will switch anyway, then I shouldn't waste tomes.My bard is 45 and should be max by this weekend.

[PArcher]

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If you were just having DPS issues you WILL have more with a BRD. I know a BLM can solo-magicDPS T4...but they have to be near i90 to do so. SMN can be lesser0geared and do it solo thanks to how the class works.

Unless one of your melee is going caster...you're going to have one heck of a bad time in T4 with you switching to BRD.


First, do you like SMN or BRD more? If you like SMN more, or are just leveling BRD because they told you to...leave the group and find one that wants you as a SMN, and gear SMN up
If you do like BRD...then keep going like this if you want.

Personally, I would leave them and find a group that wants me for the class I want to do. Your group sounds a little toxic based on what you've said, and I wouldn't stick around.

[Darkstatic107]

At first I really hated my smn which is why I decided to switch to bard. Now I don't mind it as much and both classes are enjoyable. It isnt my group per se, as its just one member who is bringing all this up. We are also a group from the same FC and all enjoy each other. It's mostly trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. My gear is really really bad as a smn, im wearing crafted gear with darklight accessories and a relic wep with an ilvl of 70.

[PArcher]

At first I really hated my smn which is why I decided to switch to bard. Now I don't mind it as much and both classes are enjoyable. It isnt my group per se, as its just one member who is bringing all this up. We are also a group from the same FC and all enjoy each other. It's mostly trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. My gear is really really bad as a smn, im wearing crafted gear with darklight accessories and a relic wep with an ilvl of 70.

How geared are the other people in your group, specifically the healers and BLM? And remind me of the total group comp (sorry, don't feel like reading the thread again; know you said MNK, BLM and 2 WHM)


You have to make a few decisions.

First, do you like SMN or BRD better? Do you like the people in your group enough to keep going with this one person who is trying to boss everyone around? Will you regret not gearing your SMN if you gear your BRD?


What I would do is talk to everyone in your group.

Bring up these points:

1) How are we going to make up the lack of Magic DPS in T4 if I go BRD?

2) Are you sure we need a BRD for Manasong?

3) Why isn't one of the other Physical DPS going for BRD? (if you want to gear SMN more than BRD)

4) Are one of the Physical DPS going to change to a Caster to replace me? (if you go BRD)


EDIT: Also, what exactly is your SMN gear? And what do you have specifically for BRD right now?

[Darkstatic107]

Our comp is 2 pld, 2 whm, drg, mnk, and blm. Everyone is around ilvl 80-85. My smn gear is the full vanya set except for pants as I have crimson breeches from CT. I also have darklight ring, waist, ear, and neck as well as relic wep.

[PArcher]

Our comp is 2 pld, 2 whm, drg, mnk, and blm. Everyone is around ilvl 80-85. My smn gear is the full vanya set except for pants as I have crimson breeches from CT. I also have darklight ring, waist, ear, and neck as well as relic wep.

OK, one last time, do you like SMN or BRD better? That's the decision you have to make.

Your group is going to be really light on magic damage if you go BRD, so you're going to have issues. Your WHM should be able to manage MP without a BRD at those ilv as well.

Gearing your SMN will mean you have enough DPS to pass without much issue, as long as your WHM don't derp on MP management.

And to be really honest...one of the WHM should go SCH; it will help out a lot IMO...

[Darkstatic107]

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I like my bard better. My only concern is this whole mantra issue which is why I posted this. I'm talking with the same guy atm and he's stating that if I decide to do bard then he needs mantra.

Normally I wouldn't mind, however I already leveled a monk up from 1-50 in two weeks with friends on a different server just a month ago. They quit, so I went back to my original server. Leveling has burnt me out and while I understand mantra can be useful, I don't think its that important that I absolutely need it.

Also, he doesnt have the gear for sch apparently. TBH he should get the gear as it would make things easier for us