Tanks That Hate Fluid Aura

[Nadrojj]

A. I don't know
B. Most people find it annoying when they are supposed to be controlling all the mobs to have one knocked out into left field, most tanks immediate reaction is to chase the mob down as usually when a mob goes flying away from them it's because they've lost hate and now it's eating a party members face. Funny you reported them for kicking you, seems like your feelings were hurt because three people decided they didn't like how you were playing the game.

[Purrfectstorm]

A. I don't know
B. Most people find it annoying when they are supposed to be controlling all the mobs to have one knocked out into left field, most tanks immediate reaction is to chase the mob down as usually when a mob goes flying away from them it's because they've lost hate and now it's eating a party members face. Funny you reported them for kicking you, seems like your feelings were hurt because three people decided they didn't like how you were playing the game.

Well that is votekick abuse FYI. Using an ability the way others don't like it isn't harassment, cheating, etc.

[JayCommon]

Well that is votekick abuse FYI. Using an ability the way others don't like it isn't harassment, cheating, etc.

I have actually gotten votekicked for using Fluid Aura (apparently tank commands are law)

It actually is harassment if a tank told/asked you to stop and you continued doing it. And 2 other people obviously felt the same way, regardless if they voiced their opinions about it or not. And I guess if Tam-Tara trash is so easy then tanks should just stop caring if the healer steals hate?

I love when healers DPS, as long as they can keep up heals while doing so. It speeds up the run. But knocking mobs back for no reason is just rude. Especially if everyone is level synced in a dungeon other than the tank. It's extremely hard to keep hate from level synced toons, even in full HQ level-appropriate gear.

[Kazamoto]

WHM has Fluid Aura. Are we really intended not to use it, except maybe as a safety button if the tank loses hate? And tanks even complain about that use too btw.

I think, that is the reason for the ability. If a mob makes a b-line for the ranged members of the party. (Healer/Mage/Bard) The mob could be pushed back to the tank. Any other use can just be annoying.

I often used Fluid Aura on the Slime Boss in Wanderer's Palace when it targets someone. Knocks the boss into a corner and roots it, causing it to burn most of the time it spends chasing someone. Other then that, it's super situational for myself but generally use it only as a last resort.

This is also very reasonable.
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What's wrong with using it the way I'm using it?

It's not so much the way you are using it, but please consider the following.

I think tanks that can't deal with WHM using Fluid Aura are just bad tanks (the same tanks often complain about people dotting all targets! LOL).

I just wish tanks didn't tell me how to play my job.

I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. Tanks will just have to adapt.

So, from what you have written, tanks who don't let you play how you like are bad tanks.

And they should not tell you how to play your job, but they should play their jobs how you want them to?

How is that fair?
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I have actually gotten votekicked for using Fluid Aura (apparently tank commands are law). I did report the party (not that I expect it did one bit of good).

I am going to assume that you were probably asked not to fluid aura once, and then did it again, possibly multiple times before the kick. And no, I dont think anything should come from your report.

At least half of the people on that run disagreed with what you were doing, asked you to stop, and you did not, so they removed you.

Well that is votekick abuse FYI. Using an ability the way others don't like it isn't harassment, cheating, etc.

It could be viewed as harassment and trolling if the party asked you not to do something and then you continued to do so.

[Worm]

Well that is votekick abuse FYI. Using an ability the way others don't like it isn't harassment, cheating, etc.

Actually, what if I as a Monk pulled mobs before the tank? Wouldn't that be kickable? You're disrupting the party via ability use.

[Purrfectstorm]

I think there is strategic sense in using Fluid Form on secondary/tertiary mobs, not just doing it to troll or have fun with my abilities (although it's absurd to think I should ever be denied the latter!)

Just to clarify, I don't knock these mobs out of AOEs if they're being AOE'd and I don't knock them back if melee DPS is attacking them (they're SECONDARY/TERTIARY targets). And there is a point beyond just meager damage and that's that it decreases damage the tank takes (because you know the mob isn't there for a few seconds attacking them). Healers don't JUST heal. Their skills like Virus, Stoneskin, Protect etc. also help by reducing the incoming damage not JUST healing it after it's already been dealt. I think Fluid Form is underutilized for this (removing an enemy from the fight for several seconds is significant). I can't fathom why someone would only use it when it DOESN'T knock back the mob.

In most cases, after I use Fluid Form, the tank doesn't lose hate (remember also that in my example, we were talking about Tam Tara - healer doesn't need to heal much and the DPS they do to the main target isn't going to increase hate on the secondary/tertiary targets). If the tank DOES lose hate, then they just need to Flash a single time (but usually we're moving on to attack that target anyway so they don't even have to do that). Tank is keeping enmity, I'm helping keep everyone alive, and we all can do a little more damage.

But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. FFXIV forums, I love you so

[Mordermi]

Just to clarify, I don't knock these mobs out of AOEs if they're being AOE'd and I don't knock them back if melee DPS is attacking them (they're SECONDARY/TERTIARY targets). And there is a point beyond just meager damage and that's that it decreases damage the tank takes (because you know the mob isn't there for a few seconds attacking them). Healers don't JUST heal.

If you have time to dps, then you don't need to worry about how much extra damage the tank is taking from a single mob. Also, tanks and dps both rotate through secondary/tertiary targets even when not AoE'ing.

Also, to say that you shouldn't be denied your right to use a skill because you want to.. What if a DRG purposefully stuns constantly on Ifrit HM so that every eruption goes off? Is that harassment? He is just using an ability that SE gave him, and he should have every right to use it whenever he wants.

[Worm]

But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. FFXIV forums, I love you so

Jesus, not everyone agrees with your half-baked minimal benefit theory crafting and you're acting like we're insisting the sky isn't blue.

[Rhysati]

And there is a point beyond just meager damage and that's that it decreases damage the tank takes (because you know the mob isn't there for a few seconds attacking them).

As stupid as this entire thread is, I thought I'd go ahead and help point our your hypocrisy and one of your poorly thought out talking points. See, you talk about using it here to decrease the damage the tank is taking....but then you say:

(remember also that in my example, we were talking about Tam Tara - healer doesn't need to heal much and the DPS they do to the main target isn't going to increase hate on the secondary/tertiary targets)

You had said this before as well...that since you are in Tam Tara, it shouldn't matter what you do. If you are in Tam Tara, then why do you need to use Fluid Aura to lower the damage the tank is tanking? You JUST said the tank isn't taking much damage and you don't need to heal much. So do some actual DPS yourself! By using Fluid Aura, not only do you disrupt the tank's rotations...but if you have any melee DPS, you just botched their entire DPS rotations and actually SLOWED your group.

[CHunterX]

Well that is votekick abuse FYI. Using an ability the way others don't like it isn't harassment, cheating, etc.

Trolling is a form of harassment, and repeatedly using a move that annoys the entire party (enough to make them want to kick you after most likely asking you to stop multiple times) would be considered trolling.