Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

[Mykll]

Then I am totally allowed to be a jerk and harass him/her?

You shouldn't be a jerk and harass no.

I have a VERY limited play schedule, and a party stole over an hour and a Half worth of MY time on MY weekend by not allowing me to vote abandon an AK run where my group was unable to beat the Demon Wall after 5 attempts.

You wasted your own time by not taking the 30 minute hit, and then you would still be ahead one hour.

Turns out the player got angry at me when I noticed this, and tried to correct the problem, by teaching them touse Fire 3 > 1 until Proc/almost OOM.

As long as you were not being a jerk and harassing, and actually trying to be helpful, then you did the right thing and the other guy was at fault for getting angry. Going by your tone doesn't sound like you were being pleasant with your helpfulness.

I'm sorry, but when I only have 2 hours to play the game, I want to have fun, not feel trolled by people who can't be bothered to want to play better. Where is my ability to report bad play as harassment? Where is my time back?

If your time is so limited and precious then Duty Finder is not for you. Find some friends, LS, FC.... Don't count on DF to find you 3 perfect party members.

[ZDamned]

Why were they allowed to harass me by locking me out of playing the game for 30 minutes? It didn't take a tool for them to be that way, nor did it take a tool for me to recognize where the issue was, and I called the player out for the same reason the parser seems to be a problem. Should reading our Battle Log be a ban-able offense as well?

[Verius_Nox]

If your time is so limited and precious then Duty Finder is not for you. Find some friends, LS, FC.... Don't count on DF to find you 3 perfect party members.

Wrong. DF is for people who don't have a lot of time to devote and want to get a quick dungeon in.

When I roll in as a tank, I'm expected to know my class, know how to keep threat, know every boss, know where to lead people, know where to position mobs/bosses, and know when to interrupt/stun things. Failing ANY of these, I would get vote kicked, harassed, and bullied WITHOUT THE USE OF A PARSER.

Why is it then the moment a damage class is in question as to whether or not they're playing their class correctly, it's this giant problem?

[Mykll]

Why were they allowed to harass me by locking me out of playing the game for 30 minutes? It didn't take a tool for them to be that way, nor did it take a tool for me to recognize where the issue was, and I called the player out for the same reason the parser seems to be a problem. Should reading our Battle Log be a ban-able offense as well?

On Demon Wall, was there communication? Did everyone know the fight? Did everyone know to kill adds or not kill adds? Or was the only communication going on name calling and belittlement? Right, it doesn't take a tool to be that way, them or you. We also don't want a tool to be there to be abused at large. Oh yeah, just like the In Progress DF window. A useful tool that got abused so it was changed.

Is it harassment to you when you go into DF, have ZERO control with who you get grouped up with, want to do that sub 10 minute WP run, and it takes closer to 20 minutes? You going to rage that they are wasting YOUR previous time when the run otherwise went smooth, just not fast enough for you? How far do you go with your previous time? What did you do before Vote Kick/Vote Abandon? Just leave and eat the 30 minutes?

Wrong. DF is for people who don't have a lot of time to devote and want to get a quick dungeon in.

Yes because that works so fast for DPS at all times. LS, FC, statics, even Party Finder can be a lot faster. If you are a tank with instant-queue? No, clicking a button in DF is a lot faster than seeing if anyone else wants to run it on your own server.

When I roll in as a tank, I'm expected to know my class, know how to keep threat, know every boss, know where to lead people, know where to position mobs/bosses, and know when to interrupt/stun things. Failing ANY of these, I would get vote kicked, harassed, and bullied WITHOUT THE USE OF A PARSER.

Why is it then the moment a damage class is in question as to whether or not they're playing their class correctly, it's this giant problem?

You shouldn't be bullied, harassed, vote kicked, etc. Tanks also get the blame when it is not there fault. DPS goes crazy and pulls first, or unloads AOE right after axe/shield toss, or healer throws a regen on you RIGHT before you pull a large group? Just because you would get bullied, harassed, kicked, without a parser, does not mean we want a tool where even more grief will be incoming.

DPS has been in question all along. Someone marking mobs? Someone not killing in proper order? Crowd control used? Everyone staying BEHIND the tank when running around a corner or entering a room? Everyone let the tank pull? Bad DPS has been in question since the start of the game. We didn't need a parser for that.

Especially fighting a boss mob, or anything that lives long enough to see debuffs. BLM got Thunder up? BRD two DoTs? SMN their range of DoTs? Heck any class with their DoTs and debuffs kept up? Don't need a parser to see that. Noticed the DPS never used any damage increasing buff? Don't need a parser for that.

[Rekujen]

Release one built into the game, don't let people advertise the DPS.. this is to prevent epeen and disgusting behavior

[Zephyranthes]

While parser give good technical information, the main reason I think why they're disallowed is for community relationships. It will just be a non-stop battle of DPS counting and elitism.

[Mykll]

I of course agree with both of you. Parser CAN be a great tool for self-improvement. It's just not going to only be used for that. And if you think trigger happy DPS not waiting for the tank to pull NOW, can you imagine after a parser? Or jobs with decent aoe abilities raging on anything that is slept because it might lower their dps? Or the sleeper/tank raging on the dps to please stop breaking CC? Even without a word said, it can cause problems. Too bad the anonymous internet isn't mature enough to use a tool respectfully.

[ItzKris]

Wrong. DF is for people who don't have a lot of time to devote and want to get a quick dungeon in.

When I roll in as a tank, I'm expected to know my class, know how to keep threat, know every boss, know where to lead people, know where to position mobs/bosses, and know when to interrupt/stun things. Failing ANY of these, I would get vote kicked, harassed, and bullied WITHOUT THE USE OF A PARSER.

Dungeon finder is casual, for people to learn the dungeons. You won't get vote kicked for not knowing to hold aggro or any of the other stuff you mentioned, you'll just cause a few wipes and repeat runs (in my experience, i've never seen any member kicked for underperforming). Parsers are not needed. Parsers are for speed runs, which are better found in Party Search than Duty Finder.

[ApolloGenX]

Parser obsessed dps is a reason why aggro holding had to be nerfed in WoW to make tanking easier.

It's a slippery slope. Parsers start off as a "tool".... then become "e-peening"... then become permission to faceroll your keyboard for lolmeterz.

When a dps says "tank hold aggro better- look at my leet deepz, keep aggro so I can get better deepZ!"... then what? Then tanks cry that they need better aggro tools... then the entire game is a spamfest... that's how WoW turned out- where lolmeterz rule.

[Asierid]

Release one built into the game, don't let people advertise the DPS.. this is to prevent epeen and disgusting behavior

Yes, because other people can't see those same numbers and brag/abuse that either. It makes no difference whether devs give people the ability to advertise dps or not, people will always be jerks. Dps parser or not, people will be jerks. People will stop being dense and realize this eventually.

I am always left wondering where this magical sense of happiness that people expect from having no addons comes from.