The Monk Temple

[YarozeX]

This is my personal opinion on the BiS pre T5.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ74

[NoctisUmbra]

This is my personal opinion on the BiS pre T5.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LQ74

Melee Cyclas is a shit piece and has no place in a BiS setup. The Allagan Cuirass is easily superior. Also the neck piece you picked out is bad. Either myth or maiming is better.

Basically, avoid skill speed when you have other options.

[YarozeX]

Melee Cyclas is a shit piece and has no place in a BiS setup. The Allagan Cuirass is easily superior. Also the neck piece you picked out is bad. Either myth or maiming is better.

Basically, avoid skill speed when you have other options.

You did not read the post.

Pre-T5

I agree on the skill speed factor. But with this setup you are at 473 ACC. I see no reason to take 11 ACC and 16 CRIT over 8 DET and 16 SS.

But if you want my opinion on the Best all end all I think it would be this....

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LMKM

[hamsteak]

Melee Cyclas is a shit piece and has no place in a BiS setup. The Allagan Cuirass is easily superior. Also the neck piece you picked out is bad. Either myth or maiming is better.

Basically, avoid skill speed when you have other options.

? it's a pre turn 5 bis, they wouldn't have access to the allagan chest

[NoctisUmbra]

Momentarily forgot allagan chest is t5.

Funny enough I've actually been playing around with the Fuma body and comparing it to the melee cyclas. Although not much, I did in fact mark a dps increase. Provided you make up for the accuracy elsewhere. Plenty of accuracy options without skill speed after all.

[YarozeX]

Momentarily forgot allagan chest is t5.

Funny enough I've actually been playing around with the Fuma body and comparing it to the melee cyclas. Although not much, I did in fact mark a dps increase. Provided you make up for the accuracy elsewhere. Plenty of accuracy options without skill speed after all.

This has been one thing I have been wondering myself. I have yet to buy the Myth body. (I main PLD so just now getting around to MNK)

[Rochetm]

This has been one thing I have been wondering myself. I have yet to buy the Myth body. (I main PLD so just now getting around to MNK)

Math says Myth is body is better.

[NoctisUmbra]

Math says Myth is body is better.

Actually somebody worked out the math using the commonly accepted weights and concluded that the Fuma Body came out slightly on top.

That's simply comparing piece for piece though. In the switch from Melee > Fuma, you lose 4 STR and 24 lolSkillSpeed, but gain 21 Det and 21 Crit.

The hypothesis: the considerable gain in Det and Crit slightly outweigh the loss of 4 STR and the Skill Speed.

I got the Fuma body earlier this week and began testing. My testing involved parsing multiple times on a striking dummy with a standard setup with the Melee Cyclas, and then parsing multiple times with the Fuma Body instead, whilst making up for the lost accuracy in other slots where I can stack something besides Skill Speed with it.

The conclusion: an easily distinguished increase in both min/max and avg damage values for all skills and auto attacks, as well as a slight increase in avg DPS.

So, until I get the Allagan Cuirass of Striking, I am now using the Fuma Body for all content other than Twintania (due to the higher accuracy cap).

[Allyrion]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Temple/page123
Commonly accepted stat weights do not support the Fuma overall.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...29#post1756129
In this thread, I also compared the best sets (pre-T5) of either in each case and plugged it into Valk's calculator.
Even with a lower accuracy (which valk's calculator doesn't take into account), the Fuma set lost.
If you've got the Allagan Baghnakhs, you'd have to sub in even more accuracy obviously.

I haven't tested it myself, but the general math doesn't put the Fuma over the Melee.

[NoctisUmbra]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Temple/page123
Commonly accepted stat weights do not support the Fuma overall.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...29#post1756129
In this thread, I also compared the best sets (pre-T5) of either in each case and plugged it into Valk's calculator.
Even with a lower accuracy (which valk's calculator doesn't take into account), the Fuma set lost.
If you've got the Allagan Baghnakhs, you'd have to sub in even more accuracy obviously.

I haven't tested it myself, but the general math doesn't put the Fuma over the Melee.

Interesting.

That being said, ultimately I tested it myself to my own satisfaction and didn't see a decrease of any kind. In fact I saw a slight increase.

I would at the very least say it's enough to discourage any budding MNKs from buying the Melee Cyclas at all if they haven't yet, and instead getting the Fuma Body and saving themselves the ~800 myth.