Can we please stop giving melee bad stigma?

[Samsta]

I am no dps expert, but I though it is common knowledge that after the latest patch, monk and dragoon are the top dps, while bard are the weakest ones since they have support abilities and constant damage. Of course it depends on a fight but that is the situation generally. It makes sense since melee does not have the advantages of ranged dps. Just look at the abilities and buffed GL and it should be obvious. If xEscaflownex could share some actual data it would be nice.

[xEscaflownex]

Saving dps cooldowns for phases during which you are singing a song that reduces your damage is a dps loss. And you don't out-dps any melee of fair skill. Just...you don't..no..

Lol, when did I ever say I save my DPS cooldown, I simply said they are general up, IE, coming OFF CD about the time Im singing songs, and yes, yes I do, all of them.

[xEscaflownex]

You guys want Advanced Combat Tracker or FFXIV App?

[NoctisUmbra]

You guys want Advanced Combat Tracker or FFXIV App?

ACT. I prefer accuracy. Besides, I'm sure you'll want to use the parser that actually counts Flaming Arrow.

[Artemiz]

You guys want Advanced Combat Tracker or FFXIV App?

I can't help but think your parser results are screwed up in some way, not taking damage into account or something because my experience is the exact opposite of yours, I don't parse in FF14 but even so the results of patch 2.1 where obvious to me. Before 2.1 I would have agreed with you, for just about any mob I could easily out damage melee but not now. If melee don't have to play the hokey cokey then I'll struggle to out DPS them unless I out gear them by quite a bit. As a BLM I'm king of AoE, I'm happy with that and in terms of damage potential I think it's about right as it is, melee are the ST specialists and they're good at it.

[NoctisUmbra]

I can't help but think your parser results are screwed up in some way, not taking damage into account or something because my experience is the exact opposite of yours, I don't parse in FF14 but even so the results of patch 2.1 where obvious to me. Before 2.1 I would have agreed with you, for just about any mob I could easily out damage melee but not now. If melee don't have to play the hokey cokey then I'll struggle to out DPS them unless I out gear them by quite a bit. As a BLM I'm king of AoE, I'm happy with that and in terms of damage potential I think it's about right as it is, melee are the ST specialists and they're good at it.

It wasn't really any different in 2.0. A competent MNK could still far exceed any ranged in single target. Only difference then was DRG wasn't as good.

As far as DPS ceilings go, BRD had the lowest and still remains the lowest. The high mobility of the job, however, lends to them being able to perform more consistently and reliably in content. Where content that requires a lot of movement, like extreme primals, can seriously inhibit the performance of a BLM, a BRD will barely be affected.

[jars]

Is this a joke? In the what, 4 or 5 months I have been playing, no MNK or DRG has EVER outdamaged my BRD/BLM/SMN on ANY fight, even with ilvl advantages (my ranged all being i86 at the moment, vs i90 MNKs/DRGs). I consider party lucky if they land a MNK or DRG who even comes close to even with LB added to their DMG.

In my experienced a bad ranged beats a bad melee, a good melee beats a bad to average ranged, but no MNK/DRG comes close to a Good Ranged, never seen it happen.

what have you never done turn 2 or something? you sit there and attack the boss and melee always wins

brds beating ANYONE in damage shouldn't happen, they are the lowest dps job

[NoctisUmbra]

brds beating ANYONE in damage shouldn't happen, they are the lowest dps job

Well, that depends on the given content. While in pretty much any case, they shouldn't be beating a DRG or a MNK, but they can often times beat BLMs or SMNs.

The thing about BRD is, yes they do have the lowest DPS ceiling, but they are also the least hindered by content mechanics. BRD is able to perform at near-full optimal capacity more than any job. That's why it makes sense that they were given the lowest DPS cap.

On the flipside, melee have the greatest risk associated with them and therefore they have the highest DPS cap.

BLM are kings of AoE destruction. On the flipside they have poor mobility and average single target DPS.

SMN are flexible and provide great support, but most of their potential lies in the ability to multi-DoT.

[Hysterior]

The only time i have seen no melee is for ifrit x. And due to fight mechanics, as a healer i understand why....

[NoctisUmbra]

The only time i have seen no melee is for ifrit x. And due to fight mechanics, as a healer i understand why....

Really? I'd think Garuda X more than Ifrit X. Titan X and Ifrit X are quite fine with melee.

That being said, when it comes to PF/DF, I concede that it can be difficult to trust random players you don't know to have the competence to dodge mechanics well on melee...