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  1. #101
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Davionx View Post
    Marking is a dumb tool for dumb people.

    The best way is for all mobs to die at once from aes and tabbing through targets.

    And yeah healers have to heal...



    Best = fastest
    Focusing on a particular target:
    - Can get rid of an dangerous enemy first, like a Bomb or an enemy with a nasty AoE/debuff
    - Lower the amount of enemy, which reduce the amount of damage taken by the tank, thus the amount of healing required, and free some pressure for both jobs
    - Allow the tank to easily manage his skill rotation on one enemy (only the healer will generate some aggro on other enemies)
    - Maximising DPS (AoE have a lower DPS if the number of targets is not high enough)

    Going derp and targeting at random:
    - No benefits. At all. None.
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    Last edited by Fyce; 01-31-2014 at 03:50 AM.

  2. #102
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    Kaguya Houraisan
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 61
    I've never marked since I started playing (rolled as tank and healer).

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    He said that DPS should know which mob to attack and that the only time he seen a tank mark a mobs was in Coils.
    I like how he thinks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    Says the guy who isn't even 50 PLD.
    He's right :\
    When you're almost pulling, you tab and start attacking another mob. You'll maximize your damage by not slowing down.

    Not even while RoH'ing you'll generate enough enmity to allow DDs going all out (before Shield Oath).

    After Shield Oath in 2.1 just Flash and forget about it lol.
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    Last edited by Ri_ri; 01-31-2014 at 03:51 AM.

  3. #103
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    Buster Posey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davionx View Post
    Marking is a dumb tool for dumb people.

    The best way is for all mobs to die at once from aes and tabbing through targets.

    And yeah healers have to heal...



    Best = fastest
    Does melee dds have good aoes? I think your mindset is in over geared speed runs which then it doesn't really matter.
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    Last edited by Doo; 01-31-2014 at 03:52 AM.

  4. #104
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    Naomi Langureion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davionx View Post
    Marking is a dumb tool for dumb people.

    The best way is for all mobs to die at once from aes and tabbing through targets.

    And yeah healers have to heal...



    Best = fastest
    LOL! what?
    /facepalm

    Ignorant ones will always be ignorant. /popcorn
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    Last edited by Langureion; 01-31-2014 at 03:52 AM.

  5. #105
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    Marking is more a useful tool a tank can use to try and help stupid people. It should never be required for a tank to mark - how hard is it for someone to understand that they should attack the tank's target? If a party member can't grasp that, it's not actually the tank's problem.

    How about non-tanks learn how to attack mobs without being babied? It's actually really simple.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ri_ri View Post
    I've never marked since I started playing (rolled as tank and healer).



    I like how he thinks.



    He's right :\
    When you're almost pulling, you tab and start attacking another mob. You'll maximize your damage by not slowing down.

    Not even while RoH'ing you'll generate enough enmity to allow DDs going all out (before Shield Oath).

    After Shield Oath in 2.1 just Flash and forget about it lol.
    I think you missed the OP like so many others. Last time I checked PLDs couldn't use Shield Oath under level 40? I'll post it again for you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    FOR TANKS IN LOW LEVEL DUNGEONS, We know a good player can Hold Hate without marking.

    Before I start I have PLD/WAR both 50. And this is pretty much excluding "Speed Run" Tanks and End Game Content".
    So again WE all know its not hard to hold hate in WP/AK speed runs or other Endgame content unless the tank is very under geared compared to the DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by EinSoFZ View Post
    Marking is more a useful tool a tank can use to try and help stupid people. It should never be required for a tank to mark - how hard is it for someone to understand that they should attack the tank's target? If a party member can't grasp that, it's not actually the tank's problem.

    How about non-tanks learn how to attack mobs without being babied? It's actually really simple.
    Well according to most of the posters in this thread more than 70% of DPS who play this game are fcukign stupid. And they can't attack what the tank is attacking with or without a marking tool.
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    Last edited by Arkista; 01-31-2014 at 04:27 AM.

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  8. #107
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    Davion Crismorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doo View Post
    Does melee dds have good aoes? I think your mindset is in over geared speed runs which then it doesn't really matter.
    Even with zero aes it is still better for everything to die at once.

    Assuming everyone is playing to their potential...

    All dots are rolling on all targets immediately until they die. Aes when applicable.

    You and others can do what you want, mark whatever you want or even hold meetings between pulls for all I care, but optimal is what is described
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  9. #108
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    Cloudcroft Ieyasu
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    Goblin
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    Marauder Lv 52
    Quote Originally Posted by Davionx View Post
    Even with zero aes it is still better for everything to die at once.

    Assuming everyone is playing to their potential...

    All dots are rolling on all targets immediately until they die. Aes when applicable.

    You and others can do what you want, mark whatever you want or even hold meetings between pulls for all I care, but optimal is what is described
    This isn't optimal....
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    You should have bought an authenticator.....



    Your tears feed me....

  10. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langureion View Post
    LOL! what?
    /facepalm

    Ignorant ones will always be ignorant. /popcorn
    Exactly, the best part is how I fully expect 90%+ of this games population to be confused and ignorant since those same people help turn MMOs into what they are today (not a compliment)
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  11. #110
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    Kaguya Houraisan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    I think you missed the OP like so many others. Last time I checked PLDs couldn't use Shield Oath under level 40? I'll post it again for you...
    .
    Can I do that too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ri_ri View Post
    Not even while RoH'ing you'll generate enough enmity to allow DDs going all out (before Shield Oath).

    After Shield Oath in 2.1 just Flash and forget about it lol.
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