New Quest to teach Tanks what Marking is for. Mandatory Please.

[C-croft]

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When I'm on tank I don't want anyone doing my job, I feel like its the tanks responsibility and that is who should be doing it. If you are a DPS/Healer and your tank isn't marking mobs in a LOW LEVEL DUNGEON by all means mark, no one is stopping you. But I can say I've never had to have another player mark my mobs for me nor will I ever. But if I did I would ask if they wanted me to start marking and then do it.
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No, I've been to level 50 dungeons where me and the tank are attacking the same thing and the other DPS is doing their own thing. Its not making the fight go faster, If anything it makes it take longer. And again I don't care about AK/WP speed runs half the shit is getting AoE'd anyways so outside of marking tonberries really is no need.

Yes DPS should also learn what to attack with or without marking. But you can't go into a low level dungeon and expecting much out of anyone. Almost every low level Dungeon I've done has had at least one new player sometimes two. But I can say that playing as a tank, I don't run into the problem with DPS doing what they want when I mark, As much as others claim they have seen (pretty sure its true cause there are a lot of bad DPS). And playing a DPS I can tell you that I have seen more screw ups when Mobs aren't marked.

So to shorten it up. I'm not talking about you tanks who are level 50 and can Speed Run WP/AK. And doing Endgame Content most everyone should know what they are doing.......

Are you talking about you or low level tanks? Because if it's new tanks, why would we care about you marking? If we are talking about new tanks, stop making it about you. Also, just because you feel it's your job to mark, doesn't mean it's the tank's job. DPS and healers should also know how and why to mark. If they didn't, why would it matter to them? Everyone not attacking the same target or attacking the same target does not increase the time it takes to down a group. It only puts more work on the healer.

I do not disagree that when marks are followed(it doesn't matter who put them up) the dungeon does in fact feel much smoother, but at the same time, not everyone can be a good DPS, or tank for that matter, hence we are are having a discussion about marking or the lack thereof.

[mythicrose]

So to shorten it up. I'm not talking about you tanks who are level 50 and can Speed Run WP/AK. And doing Endgame Content most everyone should know what they are doing.......

As I've stated, there's nothing compelling dps to actually follow the kill order even in low level dungeons. While I appreciate those that do follow a kill order, it's often a futile waste of time on my end to mark things. Besides, we all know by "end game" time dps DGAF and AoE everything down for "speed runs". May as well teach them early on how to do that, prepare tanks to pull multiple groups with appropriate mitigation cooldowns, and have healers sweating behind their computer/console wondering if they can handle it all.

Truely, I do understand what you want. Many tanks do. Some get to experience dps players that (like you) follow a kill order but many of us get the DGAF dps players as well. My own experience is this latter group is more common when using the low level dungeon roulette. I don't mind them, though. I just keep tanking.

[C-croft]

Another thought, I have been healing for my low level DFR, and I never have MP issues as we run through mobs. I will toss on some cleric stance and help DPS the tanks target so I can heal all day without the worry of multiple targets hitting the tank. Cure spam is easy and will last as long as it needs to. What I would like for tanks to learn is to use OP or Flash. Tanks should learn these before even worrying about marking. I try to explain why and help them, but for whatever reason 95% seem to ignore me. So I don't even need marks, nor crazy DPS to take hate. The first cure is all it takes, and no amount of marking is ever going to solve that issue.

[Arkista]

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I just figured that if I suggested something to help tanks in low level dungeons then maybe we would have more in Endgame. And marking is the easiest thing they could do to help them with hate management. I hear a lot of people say they don't like to tank because its hard for them to hold hate, And early on it is because they don't have all the useful abilities like Shield Oath or Defiance. I know tanking is a lot of responsibility and some just can't handle it.

[C-croft]

I just figured that if I suggested something to help tanks in low level dungeons then maybe we would have more in Endgame. And marking is the easiest thing they could do to help them with hate management. I hear a lot of people say they don't like to tank because its hard for them to hold hate, And early on it is because they don't have all the useful abilities like Shield Oath or Defiance. I know tanking is a lot of responsibility and some just can't handle it.

Then we should help them getting used to using the tools at their advantage which will take the most effect. Marking definitely helps when DPS follow marks, but making them learn how to flash and overpower should be the priority. Marking helps with consolidating threat, but Flash/OP and combos is what directly affects threat. I know you know this already Arkista, so it's not directed to you per se.... (hint hint new DPS and Tanks reading this)

[Davionx]

It's not an issue with players pulling off you, it's about focusing down a mob so the run goes faster and smoother.

Marking is a dumb tool for dumb people.

The best way is for all mobs to die at once from aes and tabbing through targets.

And yeah healers have to heal...



Best = fastest

[Arkista]

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They should learn how to use abilities correctly. One day I was leveling BRD in Stone Vigil and every time the tank pulled (he marked) I would always pull hate every time, chalked it up to him being lower level than me. Get near the end and I noticed he pulled with Provoke, Asked if he was doing it the whole run he said ya....lol So I told him how to pull, Next set of mobs I didn't take hate and he thanked me.

[Arkista]

Marking is a dumb tool for dumb people.

The best way is for all mobs to die at once from aes and tabbing through targets.

And yeah healers have to heal...



Best = fastest

Says the guy who isn't even 50 PLD.

[Voulgar]

I've done a mix of d ungeons marking them and not marking them, my more succesful runs i never mark'd and the frustrating ones i did because dps never pay attention to marks anyways.

[Davionx]

Says the guy who isn't even 50 PLD.

I bought a kiddie casual fest going in, I'm not the one surprised by my purchase. My reply was for the few people who understand game mechanics as a whole I wholly expect the vast majority to be enraged and disagree while coloring their walls with drool dripping down their chin.