New Quest to teach Tanks what Marking is for. Mandatory Please.

[Doo]

Marking is a dumb tool for dumb people.

The best way is for all mobs to die at once from aes and tabbing through targets.

And yeah healers have to heal...



Best = fastest

Does melee dds have good aoes? I think your mindset is in over geared speed runs which then it doesn't really matter.

[Davionx]

Does melee dds have good aoes? I think your mindset is in over geared speed runs which then it doesn't really matter.

Even with zero aes it is still better for everything to die at once.

Assuming everyone is playing to their potential...

All dots are rolling on all targets immediately until they die. Aes when applicable.

You and others can do what you want, mark whatever you want or even hold meetings between pulls for all I care, but optimal is what is described

[C-croft]

Even with zero aes it is still better for everything to die at once.

Assuming everyone is playing to their potential...

All dots are rolling on all targets immediately until they die. Aes when applicable.

You and others can do what you want, mark whatever you want or even hold meetings between pulls for all I care, but optimal is what is described

This isn't optimal....

[Doo]

Even with zero aes it is still better for everything to die at once.

Not sure if you're just trolling or bad.

[Pseudopsia]

Not sure if you're just trolling or bad.

I hope he's bad at explaining. If your party is well geared and has jobs that use dots it would be more effective to spread the dots last to their full duration. If party single targets monsters and they die much faster than the dots full duration the dots are not as effective.

It's better to single target down monsters if the healer is stressing out healing the tank and/or tank is not geared/skilled enough to aoe tank.

Different play styles are optimal for different situations.

[Doo]

I hope he's bad at explaining. If your party is well geared and has jobs that use dots it would be more effective to spread the dots last to their full duration. If party single targets monsters and they die much faster than the dots full duration the dots are not as effective.

After the dots, you will still go back and attack mobs in the order the tank marks right?

Different play styles are optimal for different situations.

Which is why the optimal way might not be optimal especially in df when players are trying to learn. Playing with friends and more skilled players they already know what's up so they don't need markers.

[Ri_ri]

Not sure if you're just trolling or bad.

How finishing off a mob is any faster than letting the debuffs roll, while you move on & debuff the others?
Honest question.

(Is this mentaility the source of so many terrible summoners who can't debuff more than one target?)

[YuriRamona]

Even with zero aes it is still better for everything to die at once.

Assuming everyone is playing to their potential...

All dots are rolling on all targets immediately until they die. Aes when applicable.

You and others can do what you want, mark whatever you want or even hold meetings between pulls for all I care, but optimal is what is described

I hope he's bad at explaining. If your party is well geared and has jobs that use dots it would be more effective to spread the dots last to their full duration. If party single targets monsters and they die much faster than the dots full duration the dots are not as effective.

It's better to single target down monsters if the healer is stressing out healing the tank and/or tank is not geared/skilled enough to aoe tank.

Different play styles are optimal for different situations.

Wow, thank you for the voice of reason. Everyone else here is dismissing it immediately without even an explanation. DoTs are the best damage, second to AoE (on three or more targets, usually), and there's just no other way to do the math.

I started a thread in the tank forum on just this very issue. You might want to spare yourself the facepalming, though.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-mark-targets

[C-croft]

Wow, thank you for the voice of reason. Everyone else here is dismissing it immediately without even an explanation. DoTs are the best damage, second to AoE (on three or more targets, usually), and there's just no other way to do the math.

I started a thread in the tank forum on just this very issue. You might want to spare yourself the facepalming, though.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-mark-targets

Davionx is describing something completely different than what is described in this thread. We are talking about marking enemies to focus DPS and consolidate threat. He is talking about maximizing ones DPS numbers. Also he is stating to use DoTs and AoEs as a main source of DPS. Which is not optimal.... especially at lower levels. Single targeting also allows for 'stress' relief of the healer which in turns allows more time in cleric stance. Any good DPS will spread DoTs around when they can, but they are going to focus DPS somewhere at some point.