How come Wow has a faster reaction time compare to ff14?

[DeceptionsWrath]

REALITY CHECK! get a VPN if its WORKS, your ISP has ROUTING PROBLEM.

If you dont belive such things, then you never know how VPNworks in the first place.

Since you seem to know all about this kind of stuff, can you please tell us why other MMO's don't have this so called "ROUTING PROBLEM"? I have played 4 other MMO's and never had this kind of problem till FFXIV:ARR. That's the part i really don't understand. It seems something between my ISP and SEs servers just do not mesh well or something. Now, i'm not saying it's all SE's fault, but the game has many fights that are very tough with these conditions. I can't very well order my ISP to go through and route stuff differently, they simple won't. So SE is going to have to find some way to try and resolve this issue or continue to lose subscribers.

[Squa]

REALITY CHECK! get a VPN if its WORKS, your ISP has ROUTING PROBLEM.

If you dont belive such things, then you never know how VPNworks in the first place.

reality check! most games are resistant to ISP routing "problems".

[ispano]

Since you seem to know all about this kind of stuff, can you please tell us why other MMO's don't have this so called "ROUTING PROBLEM"? I have played 4 other MMO's and never had this kind of problem till FFXIV:ARR. That's the part i really don't understand. It seems something between my ISP and SEs servers just do not mesh well or something. Now, i'm not saying it's all SE's fault, but the game has many fights that are very tough with these conditions. I can't very well order my ISP to go through and route stuff differently, they simple won't. So SE is going to have to find some way to try and resolve this issue or continue to lose subscribers.

Actually, they have. Play MMOs long enough and you'll see others or even yourself have had the problems at some time or another. I've played many MMOs over the years where a group or groups of people had massive issues for a while, some couldn't even connect and play at all. All due to the route their connection took. And nothing could be done til the owner of the router did something.

[EUdoomtrain]

Actually, they have. Play MMOs long enough and you'll see others or even yourself have had the problems at some time or another. I've played many MMOs over the years where a group or groups of people had massive issues for a while, some couldn't even connect and play at all. All due to the route their connection took. And nothing could be done til the owner of the router did something.

You want to know the difference? In other MMOs you will get lag spikes form time to time "only" or maybe bad day and then its back to OK, here its 24/7. And its mostly because the server farm is in one place for all in Canada. I have to connect through the fuc**** Atlantic to play on a EU server that's not in EU, genius!

[ispano]

You want to know the difference? In other MMOs you will get lag spikes form time to time "only" or maybe bad day and then its back to OK, here its 24/7. And its mostly because the server farm is in one place for all in Canada. I have to connect through the fuc**** Atlantic to play on a EU server that's not in EU, genius!

Except i've seen this same thing, ie 24/7, happen in other MMOs. Sometimes to me, sometimes to others. I knew people who couldn't even LOG IN for a week.

[Craiger]

Like someone said earlier, the problem is that FFXIV uses Server Live-state instead of Client Live-state, which most other MMO's use (including WoW). Here's a link for better explaining: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1r7a0t/

You can talk all you want about routing, animation, Canadian servers.... But, in the end it comes down to the server handling your location in the game. If it had used client location updating, then it doesn't matter how high ping you have, if you are outside an AoE effect, then you won't take damage (as explained in the link above)

Sure there are probably other issues too... I'm from Europe and I will never get perfect ping because of no EU servers, and there is probably other things too, but it wouldn't be as big of a problem if they handled location like other mmo's

[Billie21]

Should I just stop playing in the mean time for now until they actually give me fast reaction time like Wow servers?

You really are an optimist, aren't you?

Except i've seen this same thing, ie 24/7, happen in other MMOs. Sometimes to me, sometimes to others. I knew people who couldn't even LOG IN for a week.

Could you tell us where, please?

I've been playing MMOs for over 10 years, and never saw such a problem on such a large scale (IE: affecting so many different people over the world, for 3-4 months non-stop, and still no communication whatsoever from the company running the game).
The only yime I've seen such problems happen, it was at specific times, affecting people from one specific ISP, and it was eventually solved (and always responded to by the company running the game).

So I'm curious about what games have had such a big problem as FFXIV:ARR. Maybe it would be enlightening to learn these experiences.
Please note that since release of FFXIV:ARR, not a single week has gone by without one or several threads being active on this forum on this topic. We are not talking about a week-long issue.


EDIT:

It hasn't been 3-4 months non stop. The particular issue in question has only happened since 2.1. And as for my experiences? I've seen it in WoW, i've seen it in Aion before it was F2P, just to name some.

Thank you for answering.

I promise you that getting hit by stuff you had dodged, amongst other evidence of delay on the game's part have been going on since release. This is nothing new to 2.1.
It *is* a 4 month long problem. Non-stop.

Considering the misunderstanding about the problem, I would like to make sure that your examples are of the same problem:
Did WoW and Aion have months-long problems of the game being unplayable/less playable for such a large pannel of players, without being solved one way or another?
(I am interested because I never heard of it from friends who played those games, but I never went on those forums myself, and never even played Aion at all).
If that is the case, I would very much like to learn more about it (what was the problem, who it affected, how it was solved, by who etc...).

[ispano]

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It hasn't been 3-4 months non stop. The particular issue in question has only happened since 2.1. And as for my experiences? I've seen it in WoW, i've seen it in Aion before it was F2P, just to name some. The issue here is most likely the increased bandwidth from increasing the position polling rate. And the routers on these routes aren't used to handling the amount of data that's not going through them. You can say what you want about SE putting servers where they are instead of splitting them and putting them in other locations. They are where they are, and it was likely a financial decision. Splitting and moving them now would cost more money in the long run, and unless they KNOW they can recoup that with more customers, would you expect a business to do so? Or would you tell them they should spend the money anyway when it could mean they lose money in the long run?

[Craiger]

It hasn't been 3-4 months non stop. The particular issue in question has only happened since 2.1. And as for my experiences? I've seen it in WoW, i've seen it in Aion before it was F2P, just to name some. The issue here is most likely the increased bandwidth from increasing the position polling rate. And the routers on these routes aren't used to handling the amount of data that's not going through them. You can say what you want about SE putting servers where they are instead of splitting them and putting them in other locations. They are where they are, and it was likely a financial decision. Splitting and moving them now would cost more money in the long run, and unless they KNOW they can recoup that with more customers, would you expect a business to do so? Or would you tell them they should spend the money anyway when it could mean they lose money in the long run?

Like I said in my post... You can have lag in games like Wow, but you will never get hit by something that you have clearly dodged (on your screen).... That has to do with how the game updates your position, in Wow (and most other MMO's) what you see on screen, is what is "really" happening. In FFXIV you could technically be hit by an attack even before you see it, which is impossible in almost every other MMO, because of what I said.

[Sapphic]

This. I hate it when so many main tanks in King behemoth in CT wait until the animation is completely over to even budge, you can go as soon as the cast bar is done and the animation has started for christs sake. I noticed this in the beta when seeing a gif someone put on the forums of a player being in an aoe's animation and not getting hit, it works the same way for every single red aoe in the game.

Which is the best way, especially with melee DPS, get out the red, whilst the anim is running, ran back in front. mob/boss doesn't move as anim locked so melee can keep their dance going uninterrupted. Drove me crazy trying to melee mobs that tanks where spinning like a top >.<