Is "PvP" farming allowed?

[Maqaqa]

Id report if i was sure it wasnt a waste of time.
At the moment i dont even know there is a set of "rules" enforced for PvP.
An official answer from the Devs could help. Its like nobody cares... not even them :P

[Sunako]

Why dont u do competitive pvp farm instead boring win trading? u can change sides from the players if u lose all of the time. Example if u have pro x and pro y in the same team u can put them both other sides and game will be more competitive then it will be x vs y and then its like 50/50 who will win. If thats not enough u can change more until it is competitive.

[xxalucard]

Boosting is usually looked at as a negative thing because the people involved don't earn the wins. It's cheating the matchmaking system (or lack thereof), but technically it's not against any rules as of now.

This kind of thing became pretty common in Halo 2. While technically it doesn't hurt anyone, players that boost are exploiting the system. And if they do this so they can use the i90 pvp gear, then it's giving them an unfair advantage over other players.

Unfortunately, I don't know how SE would be able to prove anyone was boosting outside of chat logs. With how rare it is for people to actually queue for 4v4's, it could be entirely coincidence that the same 8 people play against each other constantly.

[realistic1]

It's cheating the matchmaking system (or lack thereof), but technically it's not against any rules as of now.

I think that many of the rules are fairly subjective (advantage always goes to ES) and I believe I could make a pretty good argument that creating two teams that agree to trade win/losses for quick profit would violate the following rule:

Activities that destroy game balance:
Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit

When presenting this argument I would also use the following verbiage:

The list of policies below is meant to give the player an understanding of the types of activities that are prohibited within FINAL FANTASY XIV. This list has been provided to our players as a general guideline for the various prohibited activities and is not intended to be an all-inclusive outline of every prohibited activity within FINAL FANTASY XIV.

There is no doubt that two teams that agree to bypass the random match system by agreeing to trade win/losses offsets the balance of the game as they will quickly gear having a distinct advantage over those not manipulating the system.

[xxalucard]

[SIZE=2] I think that many of the rules are fairly subjective (advantage always goes to ES) and I believe I could make a pretty good argument that creating two teams that agree to trade win/losses for quick profit would violate the following rule:

While I agree with your philosophy, there isn't any official word that matching with people to trade wins/losses is "not intended."

I'm completely on the same side-- that this is an obvious abuse of the system. But honestly that's just our opinions.

Abusing the Random Matching System:

- People currently bypass the random matching system to play duty roulette with their friends.
- People currently abuse the commendation system by doing the same thing to match with friends in Guildhests, and then give each other quick commendations.

^ No one is currently being punished for participating in either exploit.

Where do you draw the line for manipulating the duty finder? One could argue that there's currently no other way to play against your friends in PvP outside of exploiting the system.


Ultimately I agree that boosting for experience is lame, and wouldn't do it myself. But at the same time it feels more like "videogame morals" than actual cheating. Especially because it's hard to prove outside of the chat log.

Someone could get 4 friends that aren't as good to play against them repeatedly-- and gain the same benefit. If their friends aren't intentionally throwing the match, is it boosting? I mean, something doesn't feel right about that either...

Without an official response from SE on what they feel is intended, you can't really make a definite argument either way.

[realistic1]

While I agree with your philosophy, there isn't any official word that matching with people to trade wins/losses is "not intended."

There does not have to be an official word regarding every single possible exploit/bug/mechanic/manipulation possible in this game. The catchall for this is the verbiage I provided in my last reply. If the act falls under a main category violation such as an intentional act that impacts game balance, then ES has the right to take action against someone intentionally throwing matches providing an unfair advantage to another.

- People currently bypass the random matching system to play duty roulette with their friends. People currently abuse the commendation system by doing the same thing to match with friends in Guildhests, and then give each other quick commendations. No one is currently being punished for participating in either exploit.

So your argument here is that three wrongs then make a right? Regardless of whether an action has been taken by ES, it has no bearing on whether an action can be taken. I still see bots I reported weeks ago, this does not in any way suggest to me that bots are legal.

Ultimately I agree that boosting for experience is lame, and wouldn't do it myself. But at the same time it feels more like "videogame morals" than actual cheating.

I disagree.

Someone could get 4 friends that aren't as good to play against them repeatedly-- and gain the same benefit. If their friends aren't intentionally throwing the match, is it boosting?

If no discussion took place about trading wins and both teams do nothing intentionally to give the other an unfair advantage other than queuing at the same time, I would not consider this action as trading win/losses.

Without an official response from SE on what they feel is intended, you can't really make a definite argument either way.

But your previous statement was that this action was ‘not’ against any rules and I disagree for the reasons provided in this and my previous post.

If I were an ES employee, I could make a very definite and effective argument for banning someone for agreeing to trade wins and losses against one another in a pvp match resulting in an unfair advantage over someone that is not willing to manipulate the system to gain the unfair advantage.

Again, ES has final say in what is and is not acceptable (with advantage on their side) and their decision on what is and is not acceptable does not have to be based on something literally spelled out in the rules. Anyone reading this knows that the system was not intended for 8 people to get together and intentionally trade wins and losses for quick rewards and that any ES employee would have a legitimate reason to ban someone for this activity under the violation of activities that impact game balance.

Again, I would report the action, provide details and names, and offer screen prints. If you do not agree, simply do not report.

[Retinolx]

Kids take this game way too seriously. There isn't even a ladder in this game. PvP is nothing more than a mini game.

[Maqaqa]

To be fair "kids" are usually the ones cheating the system and not caring.

Personally im 37 and i have no intention to deal with this kind of shit.
And yeah i take my hobbies seriously.
When i used to play football (soccer for many of you) i didnt trade wins, why should i start now on a videogame?
What makes it less "serious"?
I guess the answer is that on a football field you cant hide behind a monitor.

Moral integrity: check it.

[realistic1]

To be fair "kids" are usually the ones cheating the system and not caring.

There are also a fair amount of unscrupulous adults (term used lightly) as well.

[Imapooonu]

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It is not a violation nor a reportable offense.

If a dps is tired of waiting for a Sunken Temple of Qarn que and they group with a tank to speed up the que time are they exploiting?

If someone finds 7 other people to pvp with, and the game mechanics allow for those people to play together in a regular fashion are they in violation?

As far as letting people win marks...I pass on tank gear for FC members when in various dungeons...am I in violation?

It's a lame way of getting marks, but one could argue they are playing the game as intended. There's nothing punishable about letting people win.