Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Kittra]

Sometimes when I read people who go on about about FFxi I wonder if we were playing the same game. Artifacts has always been easy to quest, even the originals to the point that even when I quested my first set it took me less than a day to do. Relic armors required you to fight trash mobs and access to zones that required victory in previous zones but even with all that it took me less than a month to get my first full relic. Ironically, the most challenging to get are the Empereon armors which requires that you have to farm pops, pop NMs of varying difficulty, trigger their weaknesses (which require communication and teamwork) or risk not getting the seals... And this was just for the +1, the +2 were even worse.

I think it's because you're remembering how easy it was to get Artifact armor after you got your first job to level 75 and were able to solo all the coffer keys in the dungeons and solo kill most of the bosses (some did require skill to kill at level 75) to get the level 42(?)-60 level pieces.

Now if you tried to get them at the levels where you could actually start to wear them, forget about it being easy. With a full party of people around the same level it was quite the challenge to kill the coffer key monsters, clear the rooms where the coffers themselves were kept, and the NMs for those final pieces of gear were EXTREMELY hard to kill and took a lot of coordination with your team to bring down. In the end you were rewarded with one of the best sets of gear for your job "at that level."

With how long it took to level up in FFXI (till around 2006 when it got a bit easier) AF gear was a primary staple for most people till level 71 when you were able to buy or quest for better gear.

The nostalgic losers (and you know who you are) seem to confuse repetitive tedium for challenge.

I quoted this part separately because the bold part fits current FFXIV mechanics to the T... *sigh*

[PSxpert2011]

Never say never. *cough FFXIAbyssea cough*

Abysea was what is known to most of the hard-core FFXI players and veterans as the Vana diel Apocalypse.

Now think about it, use your own common philosophy and compare it to FFXIV and youll have A Realm Reborn, just like FFXI.

I'm seeing a trend here... (maybe it's just me)

[Obysuca]

I think it's because you're remembering how easy it was to get Artifact armor after you got your first job to level 75 and were able to solo all the coffer keys in the dungeons and solo kill most of the bosses (some did require skill to kill at level 75) to get the level 42(?)-60 level pieces.

Either that or they did their first set after the cap was raised, making it even easier >.> As you said, I remember doing my first AF and it was hard, it was even harder to get help on it since I couldn't do that at my lvl, but that's what made XI great, you actually had to get people for things, you know, making it a mmo, instead of how games are now where you can solo anything, which is stupid :/

[Imapooonu]

On to 100!!!

[Royze]

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100% agree.
I remember getting my first AF for WAR back in 2004. It most certainly was not easy. Considering the time it took to travel places, the constant threat of agro, the need for other members to help you. I'd love to see someone with an accurate memory say getting SAM AF Helm or DRK AF Helm was "easy" back in 2004.

[Doo]

Whether someone views FFXI as being challenging or not really depends on when they played. Pre-Abyssea was full of challenging content when you had to do things without being over geared, over leveled, carried, and there wasn't as much info available. If you still thought it wasn't challenging, then you're probably one of those super skilled players that wouldn't find any challenge in a majority of games. That's why I don't even bother to argue when someone says it isn't difficult there's just no point in doing so.

[Imapooonu]

PAGE 100!!!!!!

Praise the sun

\o/

[Beetle]

Really want to see what yoshi p says in his live letter. have hopes i fixes this game but probably isnt gonna happen

[Tazo]

Abysea was what is known to most of the hard-core FFXI players and veterans as the Vana diel Apocalypse.

Now think about it, use your own common philosophy and compare it to FFXIV and youll have A Realm Reborn, just like FFXI.

I'm seeing a trend here... (maybe it's just me)

Thats exactly the way I see it. Abysea was released to appease the casuals and as a result the game died.

[Blackheart]

i have to give credit where it is due, as much as i don't want ARR to be more like 11 i have to admit getting af in 11 was...pretty hard, was no way i was going to get it on my own at the time, and even 1.0 presented somewhat of a better challenge then in ARR, and to be honest...i did like the difficulty and wouldn't mind more like it.