So apparently FFXIV-App is banworthy now?

[Allyra]

Square responded to the use of tunneling services and said that they allow it. Forgot the thread but it's here somewhere.

Yes, I never said otherwise. It is just people in this thread keep linking that post to claiming that means parsers are ok because they think they basically are the same thing.

I am trying to stress these are two completely different beasts, and there are many of us that want SE to clarify in regards to parsers.

[Ayuruk]

iv noticed admins/forum moderators are ban happy, like the have nothing else to do. They 1 week suspended my account for just asking about apps and such in the forums.
also i doubt they will respond to this post, they r busy responding to nonsense threads.

[Reinheart]

Yes, I never said otherwise. It is just people in this thread keep linking that post to claiming that means parsers are ok because they think they basically are the same thing.

I am trying to stress these are two completely different beasts, and there are many of us that want SE to clarify in regards to parsers.

There needs to be some kind of clear message that lists what kind of things are approved and not approved, like that one that was approved modifies the lighting.
Should have this list up so people know when it's ok or not ok to use/mention them.

Noticed people in DF parties that gives out parser results couple of times, didn't harass me or anyone in the party was just giving out everyones scores but I was thinking to myself, are they ok to say stuff like that in chat?

Hopefully once the addons are introduced they have a list that lists these things.

[mythicrose]

@Reinheart

LOL at your signature.

[MurakumoMillennium]

WoW:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...0144690?page=1

To be fair, the WoW one says they don't recommend using them because you could get linked to something you didn't do (such as a gold seller using that same VPN, which then gets your account hammered). They don't outright say not to use them though. Also if you read the forums you can find a ton of threads about VPNs with discussions on who is using them, which to use, etc and they allow it.

[Allyra]

To be fair, the WoW one says they don't recommend using them because you could get linked to something you didn't do (such as a gold seller using that same VPN, which then gets your account hammered). They don't outright say not to use them though. Also if you read the forums you can find a ton of threads about VPNs with discussions on who is using them, which to use, etc and they allow it.

You also have tons who got banned for it, too.

Here is the specific part of Blizz's tos that directly refers to tunneling:

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company...ermsofuse.html

2.8 host, provide or develop matchmaking services for any Game or the Service, or intercept, emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard in any way, for any purpose, including without limitation unauthorized play over the internet, network play, or as part of content aggregation networks;
2.9 facilitate, create or maintain any unauthorized connection to any Game or the Service, including without limitation (a) any connection to any unauthorized server that emulates, or attempts to emulate, the Service or any Game; and (b) any connection using programs or tools not expressly approved by Blizzard; or
2.10 disrupt or assist in the disruption of (i) any computer used to support the Service or any Game environment (each a "Server"); or (ii) any other player's Game experience.

Regardless, this thread is not about VPNs, it's about parsers. The point is that these two things are completely different. We should not just assume parsers won't get you into trouble just because SE states VPNs won't.

[Kayko]

I just wanted to clarify something here, forgive me if I am missing something:

Player A "I use "XIVAPP *3rd party program* to view a file located in c:/my documents/my games/Final Fantasy folder = Warning and possible ban from game.
Player B "I use Photoshop *3rd party program* to view a file located in c:/my documents/my games/Final Fantasy folder = Ok?

I don't see much of a difference here, as it is being explained and stated by the people defending the actions of the GM of question, these two scenarios should play out in the same manner with viewing a screen shot being on equal grounds and result in warnings/bans. A .png or .jpg should be more considered an encrypted file over a .log (which is nothing more then a text file created by an OS.) Viewing the image with a 3rd party program would technically be closer to the EULA agreement/TOS then viewing the log file.

[TitanACU]

I understand where you are coming from and agree that if a player uses a parse as weapon/ammunition to attack another player. The instigator should be warned/banned for his action. But where I disagree is that the punishment should be issued for attacking another player regardless of whether a parser or parse result is in place or not.

That's exactly why they get banned. Using the parser however, shows SE how you came to your conclusion to kick them. You can get banned for simply kicking a single person who was trolling and all they have to do is report you and lie(to further the trolling). It may not be banned for long after you send a rebuttal, but none the less, your account can be banned. just depends on whos desk the report goes across and how shitty their day has been.

[warren-ragnarok]

This needs more clarification. The enmity meter is the same thing, and everyone can see that. The only difference is representing the information more accurately and in numbers, rather than in a gauge bar.

enmity meter is not the same thing as a parser, especially when there is a disparity for enmity generation and drops on skills
the enmity meter can only prove so much, real improvement would come from actually knowing what dps you did and learning what rotations and skills actually helped you get higher numbers

[TitanACU]

See above

I get what youre saying....buuuuut im not sure youre following... He didnt get banned for the use of a parser specifically. he got banned for using it as a weapon to kick ppl. Even if he didnt then he openly said he was parsing, and their group lost and some guy got butt hurt and was looking for someone to blame and reported the OP for using a parser and then kicking him. Parsing is not against the EULA, however harassment is. This is a form of harassment.... Hope you see it clearer now.