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    For those who say "just don't talk about it in game."

    Do you think I should get banned for trying to help people with lag issues by mentioning VPN services?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allyra View Post
    For those who say "just don't talk about it in game."

    Do you think I should get banned for trying to help people with lag issues by mentioning VPN services?
    Sure. And don't even think about using teamspeak to talk to your guild while doing stuff together, it's a 3rd party application and gives you an unfair advantage too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aureliami View Post
    Sure. And don't even think about using teamspeak to talk to your guild while doing stuff together, it's a 3rd party application and gives you an unfair advantage too.
    Wow, so many people are completely missing the point.
    In what way does Teamspeak or a VPN software interact with your game? Parsers actively go into the game memory to pull out information that is normally unavailable (at least in real-time). I am pretty sure VPN, skype, teamspeak etc. does nothing of the sort. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwaeron View Post
    Wow, so many people are completely missing the point.
    In what way does Teamspeak or a VPN software interact with your game? Parsers actively go into the game memory to pull out information that is normally unavailable (at least in real-time). I am pretty sure VPN, skype, teamspeak etc. does nothing of the sort. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
    Kind of, but not really. On the technical side, FFXIVAPP doesn't alter the game in anyway, shape, or form. All it does is read the logs, compile the information available, tally and format it. It doesn't interface/change/automate actual game files (neither does a proxy or tunnel for that matter, it's just changing the route path from A to B). Now, if FFXIVAPP gave me the ability to delete Darter .dats, then yes, that's against TOS (modifications to the game files).

    The reason why it would more than likely be shut down is due to players harassing others and creating an environment people don't want to be in and will unsub/not subscribe. Square will protect it's majority playerbase before they lift a finger for the "super hardcore elite parsing so you feel bad" playerbase. We have enough negativity, hatred, and segregation already. We don't need more help from a tool that breaks down who's better than who.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marishi-Ten View Post
    Kind of, but not really. On the technical side, FFXIVAPP doesn't alter the game in anyway, shape, or form. All it does is read the logs, compile the information available, tally and format it. It doesn't interface/change/automate actual game files (neither does a proxy or tunnel for that matter, it's just changing the route path from A to B). Now, if FFXIVAPP gave me the ability to delete Darter .dats, then yes, that's against TOS (modifications to the game files).
    Maybe you should read the ToS again, or actually you should have before you accepted them:

    Activities that destroy game balance
    Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

    The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
    •Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
    again..

    analyzing..reverse engineering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
    •Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data.
    I would guarantee Logs are not what they consider game data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    I would guarantee Logs are not what they consider game data.
    What makes you believe that?

    All aspects of the Game (including but not limited to the Game computer code, updates, patches, expansion packs, characters, character names, character data, virtual items, character profile information, (non-personal) account information, chat transcripts, artwork, plot, dialogue, locations, sounds and music) are owned by Square Enix or its licensors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwaeron View Post
    Wow, so many people are completely missing the point.
    In what way does Teamspeak or a VPN software interact with your game? Parsers actively go into the game memory to pull out information that is normally unavailable (at least in real-time). I am pretty sure VPN, skype, teamspeak etc. does nothing of the sort. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
    actually you should check out the tos section about vpn's as well. there is a reason wow started using leatrix instead of vpn services. the reason was that by altering the hops taken from your isp to the companies server gives an unfair advantage while using vpn services. vpn's are classified as a violation in wow and many other mmo's. items that streamline your own computer for usage in gaming and other general web based applications like leatrix does isn't a violation.

    easy thing to remember is anything outside of the game you use as a way to play the game outside of the way it comes packaged is technically against the tos. this goes from parsers, vps's, windowers, bots, hacks, exploits, and 3rd party voice chats. best bet is to not say anything in game to admit you are doing anything of the sort or you do face a possible ban.
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