So apparently FFXIV-App is banworthy now?

[Staris]

Just don't call it FF14 App when you talk about parses. If they ask you tallied all the damage in the combat log and divided by the duration of the fight.
No Third Party program needed!

Or even that your autistic and you count the numbers as they appear as floating text.

[Splice]

Someone who kicks or harasses another player over dps is going to with or without a parser. When I join a party finder and see "EXP'd ONRY i will kick u etc" I expect to find a hostile party environment. I often join these groups just to call out the leaders mistakes lol. Not like I'm perfect but most dont' expect to hear people call out the little stuff.

on the ban side of the topic, I dont' think the person got banned for using ffxiv-app but for getting flagged for harassment and giving the GM a hard time.

[Allyra]

For those who say "just don't talk about it in game."

Do you think I should get banned for trying to help people with lag issues by mentioning VPN services?

[Aureliami]

For those who say "just don't talk about it in game."

Do you think I should get banned for trying to help people with lag issues by mentioning VPN services?

Sure. And don't even think about using teamspeak to talk to your guild while doing stuff together, it's a 3rd party application and gives you an unfair advantage too.

[KaiKatzchen]

There's an earlier post about the use of other apps (post1802194), but there are also other threads like this one.

I had also thought that there was dev confirmation that FFXIV was planning on supporting third party addons in the future, and I'd love to hear an official response from SE in regards to parsing apps and whether or not they are in violation of the ToS >.<. Fingers crossed that there'll be a dev response here, or that maybe they'll reply to this Gamerescape post: Confusion Regarding Parsers and Third Party Applications For FFXIV Players.

I have an honest question, (and sorry it’s not directed towards you specifically, more so the info you linked to.) since I do know about programming but I’m not going to claim to be an expert:

I see a lot of people using the info above and that quote from the Dev to say that SE said parsers are approved in game with this information. But that quote was specifically towards the player asking if tunneling software was ok. Now from what I understand:

Tunneling software/VPN: has to do with incompatible or insecure networks and either stabilizing or creating a safe and/or secure path.

Parser: takes (or reads) damage data that players are doing in the game and puts it into an easy to read format to see who is doing damage.

Now if I am understanding it correctly, a tunneling software wouldn’t do anything to the game, it has to do with securing or working with the connection. Where parser, in a way, is taking info from the game (be it data mining it out or reading it) to show that info in another way.

So to me it doesn’t seem that the two are in anyway alike or related. So if the Dev said the tunneling software, which doesn’t even touch the game in any way, would be ok to use at his own risk; it can’t really be used to defend a parser which does read and/or pull data from the game so is working with the game in some way.

If this is correct, then it seems to me people are using that quote in an inappropriate context or misleading way to try and validate a point

Or am I missing something?

[Haibel]

I have an honest question, SNIP...

What you are thinking is correct.

[Zfz]

It would be clear that quoting ffxiv-app parsing results in-game to another person constitute harassment. This particular way to use a parser was stated in beta (IIRC in one of the live letters) as constituting harassment and it was the primary reason why Yoshi-P had adamantly refused to provide any sort of in-game metering. I suspect it is also the only reason why certain damages were intentionally hidden from the log.

FFXIV was made to be accommodating to all players, regardless of your performance. This design is in direct conflict with all dps-check type encounters, but it wouldn't be the first nor the last conflicting design in this game.

[Gwaeron]

Sure. And don't even think about using teamspeak to talk to your guild while doing stuff together, it's a 3rd party application and gives you an unfair advantage too.

Wow, so many people are completely missing the point.
In what way does Teamspeak or a VPN software interact with your game? Parsers actively go into the game memory to pull out information that is normally unavailable (at least in real-time). I am pretty sure VPN, skype, teamspeak etc. does nothing of the sort. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

[ForteXX]

This now sounds a lot like a rule ragnarok online had... Due to the homunculus system, it had LUA support. Due to that, and a command that would actually print out everything the Homunculus could see (for debugging LUA, and including hidden people, due to how the client had to send data), they had it be against the rules to use something to parse that file to give you the information contained in it.

Just sounds a lot like how ffxiv-app sounds like it works (without the command)

[altered_juice]

he dodged a bullet there

I joined a DF Ultima and the moment we entered this Monk started saying things before the first attempt even started like "Lets see if people are actually going to dodge this time..." "Who will be the first to die to Ifrit dashes..." etc etc etc

I figured if he was going to be an ass to the party I was going to point out his glaringly bad DPS.

was it worth it? parsing someone just to use their "bad" dps as a comeback if you got called out for dying?