The Letter is up

[Physic]

This video just made it more obvious to me that AA was a waste of time. The best thing was the new WS. If AA really took this much time to plan and execute, id rather them have spent it making more of the WS cool and unique, and adding actual content. AA doesnt seem to improve battle, pace, or anything really from that video.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

This video just made it more obvious to me that AA was a waste of time. The best thing was the new WS. If AA really took this much time to plan and execute, id rather them have spent it making more of the WS cool and unique, and adding actual content. AA doesnt seem to improve battle, pace, or anything really from that video.

Then go somewhere. Buh-bye.

[Physic]

Then go somewhere. Buh-bye.

your irrelevant again.

do you have something to say about the topic, or just cant help but try to engage me in your useless beef with me?

the focus of this letter is AA, and its underwelming, im not the only one saying, even people who want AA were less than impressed by its implementation, and would rather see some actual new content. Stop random hate and speak to the issues, or do the smart thing and say nothing when you have nothing to say.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

your irrelevant again.

do you have something to say about the topic, or just cant help but try to engage me in your useless beef with me?

the focus of this letter is AA, and its underwelming, im not the only one saying, even people who want AA were less than impressed by its implementation, and would rather see some actual new content. Stop random hate and speak to the issues, or do the smart thing and say nothing when you have nothing to say.

People overwhelmingly dislike anything because they are ignorant. You are a minority if you are a person of intelligence in ANY everyday group or situation. A crap load of people disliked the party recruitment system saying that they couldn't type in comments and specifics or have class/rank requirements. Oh.. are all those things in the party recruitment? Hmm... I guess people are that gullible and believe the loud mouths (you) in threads like these.

Saying that most people think the way you do means nothing for that very reason. The FFXIV development team is loosely going to get your feedback, but they are not making the game for irrational people. I dislike some systems in FFXIV too and we are past looking at this game as being perfect. So, while you're unimpressed and hardly ever satisfied, ask yourself. Should you really stay? Cause all you're doing is complaining. I'm just trying to save you from yourself being a bitter gamer that makes it impossible for anyone to really like them.

[Physic]

People overwhelmingly dislike anything because they are ignorant. You are a minority if you are a person of intelligence in ANY everyday group or situation. A crap load of people disliked the party recruitment system saying that they couldn't type in comments and specifics or have class/rank requirements. Oh.. are all those things in the party recruitment? Hmm... I guess people are that gullible and believe the loud mouths (you) in threads like these.

Saying that most people think the way you do means nothing for that very reason. The FFXIV development team is loosely going to get your feedback, but they are not making the game for irrational people. I dislike some systems in FFXIV too and we are past looking at this game as being perfect. So, while you're unimpressed and hardly ever satisfied, ask yourself. Should you really stay? Cause all you're doing is complaining. I'm just trying to save you from yourself being a bitter gamer that makes it impossible for anyone to really like them.

once again whether i stay or not is irrelevant to this thread, or this game. The reasons why people may choose to leave, and how they feel about this letter are relevant. Dont get mad at people for stating their opinions on the letter, or saying why they are happy or not happy about it, the point of the forum is to do that.

The reason i bring up other people is not to say they are smart, i bring them up to let you know, this is not one random crazy person.

My point was that AA really wasnt the problem with battle, and adding AA isnt going to make battle entertaining, some people felt like it was, but now with the video in their face it doesnt seem like it will. Hopefully the other changes with monsters, and npc groups, along with rebalances will, but this video doesnt make it seem that way. the damage is the same as normal, If anything it makes battle seem even less complex, i get the feeling that the goblin was basically a programmed training dummy, but still, its not really making battle look more challenging.

btw, dont really care if people really like me, and if im bitter im bitter. People will complain, when things arent up to snuff or they will leave, the person who is complaining is more useful to you as a creator, because even though they rain on your parade, they give you tangible feedback, that is useful. Im here to give real feedback, not just be encouraging and optimistic.

The good
Unique WS animations
The bad
AA seems to add little to combat, and from the video, seems to even take away some excitement

you dont like my opinion, i dont care, im posting so that the devs can get a real response, whether they do something with it is up to them.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

once again whether i stay or not is irrelevant to this thread, or this game. The reasons why people may choose to leave, and how they feel about this letter are relevant. Dont get mad at people for stating their opinions on the letter, or saying why they are happy or not happy about it, the point of the forum is to do that.

The reason i bring up other people is not to say they are smart, i bring them up to let you know, this is not one random crazy person.

My point was that AA really wasnt the problem with battle, and adding AA isnt going to make battle entertaining, some people felt like it was, but now with the video in their face it doesnt seem like it will. Hopefully the other changes with monsters, and npc groups, along with rebalances will, but this video doesnt make it seem that way. the damage is the same as normal, If anything it makes battle seem even less complex, i get the feeling that the goblin was basically a programmed training dummy, but still, its not really making battle look more challenging.

btw, dont really care if people really like me, and if im bitter im bitter. People will complain, when things arent up to snuff or they will leave, the person who is complaining is more useful to you as a creator, because even though they rain on your parade, they give you tangible feedback, that is useful. Im here to give real feedback, not just be encouraging and optimistic.

The good
Unique WS animations
The bad
AA seems to add little to combat, and from the video, seems to even take away some excitement

you dont like my opinion, i dont care, im posting so that the devs can get a real response, whether they do something with it is up to them.

The problem with your assessment is assuming that AA is the only thing geared towards fixing the battle system. Are there a lot of people not impressed with it? Yeah, of course. Are the people who like the looks of it? For sure. We can all state opinions all day long but only time will tell. AA is the priority for patch 1.18, but it is not the end of the battle system overhaul. That has been said before so if you are waiting for 1.18 to fix all the problem with the game, you are waiting only for your own disappointment.

[Gidonoidon_Sur]

This video just made it more obvious to me that AA was a waste of time. The best thing was the new WS. If AA really took this much time to plan and execute, id rather them have spent it making more of the WS cool and unique, and adding actual content. AA doesnt seem to improve battle, pace, or anything really from that video.

Going to disagree. Simply because with the previous system you couldn't communicate during combat which made strategy, adventuring, etc, not as complex/fun, imo. This needed to happen.

[KumaAkuma]

Going to disagree. Simply because with the previous system you couldn't communicate during combat which made strategy, adventuring, etc, not as complex/fun, imo. This needed to happen.

What a load of bull. In the previous system you had the option to let text, that you found important, linger. It was a very easy way to communicate with that method. On top of that people use Ventrillo,Teamspeak,Mumble now for strategy. Which is far more effective for speedy tactic adjustments.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

What a load of bull. In the previous system you had the option to let text, that you found important, linger. It was a very easy way to communicate with that method. On top of that people use Ventrillo,Teamspeak,Mumble now for strategy. Which is far more effective for speedy tactic adjustments.

But casual players won't have those systems and SE is trying to make the game at least Solo friendly.

[Kiara]

This video just made it more obvious to me that AA was a waste of time. The best thing was the new WS. If AA really took this much time to plan and execute, id rather them have spent it making more of the WS cool and unique, and adding actual content. AA doesnt seem to improve battle, pace, or anything really from that video.

Hi Physic,

Definitely empathize with you here. From the video, it seems like Auto-Attack is something underwhelming, but IMHO it's the foundation for a bunch of other things that are important, like developing "class uniqueness" that Yoshida-san has stated a few times (ever since Player Poll #2 results came out).

Starting at the core foundation of a new Battle System (with Auto-Attack and removing Stamina Gauge), the Player can now focus on Positioning in Battle (Lancer staying Mid-Range, Disciple of Magic staying Mid-Far Range, and Archers being really far, etc. We saw in the video the Pugilist stunning the Goblin and then running to the back of the Goblin to deliver another Weaponskill to kill it); In Letter from Producer X (and previously) there's been "Revision of crowd control actions" so who knows what this entails? It could be important where one stands in Combat in the future, and when to execute moves.

Add to the new importance on Positioning, you can focus on meaningful Buffs, Debuffs, Spells and Weaponskills and the timers for them, which is more interesting and important than one's basic "Light Attack" (1, 1, 1, 1, etc.).

Also, they've stated they're changing Battle Regimen (joy! ), so if it's more like FF XI's SKILLCHAIN (Renkei) System, or something more active and require Timing (or something like Chrono Trigger's Combining different skill/spells to create something bigger and devastating), then this, also, is another reason Auto-Attack is a good thing. In other words, you don't have to worry about hitting "1, 1, 1, 1" ("Light Attack") all the time while you're doing the above.

There might be new Weaponskills, Buffs, Debuffs, that have different distances individually as well (in the latest Table of Changes, it's listed as "Adjustment of range of effect for actions" for Disciples of War and Magic). So maybe Weaponskill X is a Mid-Range Attack that will do massive damage, but if you're too close or far, it's ineffective. So you want to position yourself in battle to perform it. This benefits from Auto-Attack as well.

Could all of the above be done with our current Manual Attack? Sure. I think there are enough veteran gamers out there that they could spam "1, 1, 1, 1, etc." while moving around and positioning themselves, and then are adept enough to stop (hoping the game didn't buffer an extra Light Attack they were spamming), to wait for a proper time to jump in on a Skillchain, etc., but Auto-Attack makes it easier for those that aren't as adept.

Now if it turns out 1 year down the line, all we got is just an Auto-Attack, and everything else was the same (all the classes felt the same, same weaponskills, same, easy automatic Battle Regimen), then "yes," I agree that this Auto-Attack would seem to be a bit unnecessary and underwhelming.

But I'm hoping this is the start of the big changes to the New Combat System that Yoshida-san's been talking about for a while. Here's to hoping!