Is 1.18 the final straw?

[Kiara]

As it stands it is well over 6 months of being released, and let's be honest, nothing of substance has been released besides basic bug fixes. Just the fact that 1.18 looks so promising is sad itself when the major addition is auto-attack... Stop and think about that for a moment... Auto-attack... Auto-attack should have been implemented in a week, now you actually have people looking forward to it and praising it almost a year later. You can chalk this up to coding or management all you like, SE however is a company that has more than enough resources to have done this in a timely manner.

Hi Averix,

I understand you're jaded and upset, but your statement above is simply not true.

From Day 1 release until now, it has *not* simply been "bug fixes." I'm not a rabid FF Fan, but we've gotten more than just some "bug fixes." The streamlining of repeating Crafting Guildleves (and Crafting Synthesis) so you can add all ingredients with 1 button press is pretty big. The fact you can repeat your Guildleve attempts with 1 button press allows you to get through your Local Levequests twice as fast as before if not faster.

They added the 5 High Rank, Open World NMs, then later on 20 New Mid-Level NMs with unique equipment for mid-level players.

A bunch of new equipment and items that weren't available on Day 1 has gone in (are they all great? They serve their purpose, and are helpful).

They added a ton of Side Quests (with silly rewards, but well-written stories and dialogue) that have helped develop the lore around Eorzea and the impending Garlean Empire War.

And some other additions as well.

But is it "Epic, Dynamis-level Game Changers"? No, but it's more than "bug fixes" and they do add some meaningful improvements to the game.

As for 1.18, did you not read Yoshida-san's "Letter from the Producer IX"? Square is adding a LOT more than just auto-attack. If you believe that the "major addition is auto-attack" I think there's a lot more that constitute the important parts of 1.18.

They're adding in:

• Rank 30 Raid Dungeon
• Rank 50 Raid Dungeon
• New Frontier Quest Hubs (that look sweet!) in all 3 Major Kingdoms.
• Introducing some initial elements of the New Combat System (including Auto-Attack)

Link to his Letter here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-02-2011%29

And in the new video, we see more than just auto attack. It's rebalancing all Weaponskills and Combat Actions in the game for all classes for a new Combat System driven by Timers and/or TP/MP only. New Weaponskill Animations (which look awesome) and other adjustments (which Yoshida-san says we'll get more detail on in his next letter).

If that patch doesn't deliver? Sure, I think many people would quit out of frustration, but so far 1.18 is looking to deliver MUCH more than it just being the "major addition is auto-attack" from your assertion.

Thanks.

[Averix]

Hi Averix,

I understand you're jaded and upset, but your statement above is simply not true.

From Day 1 release until now, it has *not* simply been "bug fixes." I'm not a rabid FF Fan, but we've gotten more than just some "bug fixes." The streamlining of repeating Crafting Guildleves (and Crafting Synthesis) so you can add all ingredients with 1 button press is pretty big. The fact you can repeat your Guildleve attempts with 1 button press allows you to get through your Local Levequests twice as fast as before if not faster.

They added the 5 High Rank, Open World NMs, then later on 20 New Mid-Level NMs with unique equipment for mid-level players.

A bunch of new equipment and items that weren't available on Day 1 has gone in (are they all great? They serve their purpose, and are helpful).

They added a ton of Side Quests (with silly rewards, but well-written stories and dialogue) that have helped develop the lore around Eorzea and the impending Garlean Empire War.

And some other additions as well.

But is it "Epic, Dynamis-level Game Changers"? No, but it's more than "bug fixes" and they do add some meaningful improvements to the game.

As for 1.18, did you not read Yoshida-san's "Letter from the Producer IX"? Square is adding a LOT more than "just auto-attack."

They're adding in:

• Rank 30 Raid Dungeon
• Rank 50 Raid Dungeon
• New Frontier Quest Hubs (that look sweet!) in all 3 Major Kingdoms.
• Introducing some initial elements of the New Combat System (including Auto-Attack)

Link to his Letter here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-02-2011%29

And in the new video, we see more than "just auto attack." It's rebalancing all Weaponskills and Combat Actions in the game for all classes for a new Combat System driven by Timers and/or TP/MP only. New Weaponskill Animations (which look awesome) and other adjustments (which Yoshida-san says we'll get more detail on in his next letter).

If that patch doesn't deliver? Sure, I think many people would quit out of frustration, but so far 1.18 is looking to deliver MUCH more than "just auto attack" from your assertion.

Thanks.

I appreciate your response, and while you assume I am jaded and upset, you only have one right. And for future reference, when you quote someone, please read it first. You keep repeating "just auto attack" and I have never said that. My point was "the major addition is auto-attack". If you would like to debate whether or not it's the major addition that's fine, but please try not to misquote me repeatedly.

[Kiara]

I appreciate your response, and while you assume I am jaded and upset, you only have one right. And for future reference, when you quote someone, please read it first. You keep repeating "just auto attack" and I have never said that. My point was "the major addition is auto-attack". If you would like to debate whether or not it's the major addition that's fine, but please try not to misquote me repeatedly.

Sorry, sure, if you believe 1.18's "major addition is auto-attack," that's your opinion. And I respect that. (I've updated my OP with your direct quote.)

I think for myself and many others, the addition of a R30 and R50 Raid Dungeon, tied to the Grand Companies' Rank System, and New Frontier Quest Hubs and other changes to the New Combat System constitute a big part of 1.18. I think those are the real "major additions" to 1.18.

[Physic]

Sorry, sure, if you believe 1.18's "major addition is auto-attack," that's your opinion. And I respect that.

I think for myself and many others, the addition of a R30 and R50 Raid Dungeon, tied to the Grand Companies' Rank System, and New Frontier Quest Hubs and other changes to the New Combat System constitute a big part of 1.18. I think those are the real "major additions" to 1.18.

the letter makes it seem like AA is the focus of the update

"Auto-attack functionality will be prioritized in 1.18."

[TheVedis]

the letter makes it seem like AA is the focus of the update

"Auto-attack functionality will be prioritized in 1.18."

no, just that he promised a video showing auto attack so thats what he gave us

and updated info on the dungeon progress and 1.18 timeline

[BrusselSprout]

Sorry, sure, if you believe 1.18's "major addition is auto-attack," that's your opinion. And I respect that. (I've updated my OP with your direct quote.)

I think for myself and many others, the addition of a R30 and R50 Raid Dungeon, tied to the Grand Companies' Rank System, and New Frontier Quest Hubs and other changes to the New Combat System constitute a big part of 1.18. I think those are the real "major additions" to 1.18.

I really sincerely hope you're right...but boy does that producer letter make it seem far from likely. Sure sure, I know you already linked to the other letter, and those quest hubs would be simply amazing (especially the goblin mines). However, when you have something so flashy in the works such as the hubs and heavens to betsy an actual dungeon, then release a video showing neither of them....well you'll have to forgive people for assuming they're pipe dreams. Either they're not coming out anytime soon, or the communication is just that horrible...but either way it's not how it should be handled.

It's been a year. We're restless. Give us a reason to believe in you guys.

[Physic]

I really sincerely hope you're right...but boy does that producer letter make it seem far from likely. Sure sure, I know you already linked to the other letter, and those quest hubs would be simply amazing (especially the goblin mines). However, when you have something so flashy in the works such as the hubs and heavens to betsy an actual dungeon, then release a video showing neither of them....well you'll have to forgive people for assuming they're pipe dreams. Either they're not coming out anytime soon, or the communication is just that horrible...but either way it's not how it should be handled.

It's been a year. We're restless. Give us a reason to believe in you guys.

i think dungeons and AA are the main plan in this patch, from the letter's text. Not sure why they didnt show any dungeon stuff

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

i think dungeons and AA are the main plan in this patch, from the letter's text. Not sure why they didnt show any dungeon stuff

Because in the letter Yoshi states: "as promised in my previous letter, today I’m going to give you a progress report on auto-attack."

This is in THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. That was ALL the letter was going to be focused on from the start. We have been given teasers of the quest hubs and the dungeons already in other letters and this time, he wanted to focus on Auto Attack. Sometimes we get an letter that focuses on broad changes: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-20-2011%29, and other times we get a letter focusing on just a teaser: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-02-2011%29.

I don't see how this is so SHOCKING to the community. It is the same MO that Yoshi has picked up since the very beginning.

[Physic]

Because in the letter Yoshi states: "as promised in my previous letter, today I’m going to give you a progress report on auto-attack."

This is in THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. That was ALL the letter was going to be focused on from the start. We have been given teasers of the quest hubs and the dungeons already in other letters and this time, he wanted to focus on Auto Attack. Sometimes we get an letter that focuses on broad changes: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-20-2011%29, and other times we get a letter focusing on just a teaser: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-02-2011%29.

I don't see how this is so SHOCKING to the community. It is the same MO that Yoshi has picked up since the very beginning.

your a little defensive. He never said hubs would be in place by 1.18, he said its coming soon. I understand they wanted to do the AA video, but i think people would have enjoyed the dungeon video. He goes out of his way to say the priority of 1.18 is the implementation of AA, he also mentions dungeons, and it taking more time. I just think its a little optimistic to think there will be much other content besides what they actually said will be in place in 1.18. It could well have hubs, but there is no text that says hubs is planned for 1.18, and there is text saying that AA is the focus of 1.18 and that they still have to work on one of the dungeons, so that much is likely.

[normalforce]

i think dungeons and AA are the main plan in this patch, from the letter's text. Not sure why they didnt show any dungeon stuff

I think it's just a matter of perspective. The level of difficulty and time it takes to rework the battle system is much higher than implementing a new dungeon. On their side, I think this whole exercise has been a massive amount of work and frustration so when they talk about what's coming, it's this bias that shapes what they focus on.

And maybe it's also because they just want to leave the dungeons as a huge surprise.