"In-Progress" queue fishing has to stop

[wildgalax]

As a "in progress fisher" you do realise you contribute to waste the time of 23 other people, maybe take a moment and think about that.

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sorry but where did i state i did ct? Maybe take a moment and think what people write first. I havnt even unlocked that as a matter of fact, i just happen to join 'in progress' high level roullete as of recent, and actually help a lot of groups out who are stuck without healer, or once that couldn't clear it, even those that we have 2 min on the clock to beat the last boss. I dont know the situation on ct, however if someone wants an in progress ct run and doesnt que up repeatedly, i dont see a problem.

[Bigpurpleharness]

sorry but where did i state i did ct? Maybe take a moment and think what people write first. I havnt even unlocked that as a matter of fact, i just happen to join 'in progress' high level roullete as of recent, and actually help a lot of groups out who are stuck without healer, or once that couldn't clear it, even those that we have 2 min on the clock to beat the last boss. I dont know the situation on ct, however if someone wants an in progress ct run and doesnt que up repeatedly, i dont see a problem.

Yeah.... You're still wasting people's time.

[Choyi]

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So you are saying wasting the time of 3 people is just fine then?

But yeah, since you haven't done CT, a bit of infomation on the in progress que problem here:
It can take a DD 30min to get to the front of the que, then due to people fishing in progress they could end up waiting an additional 20min as the que pops de-pop and during this time they can't change class or do other content while waiting first in line (as they will repeatedly be asked to get ready o ntheir selected class).
Queing as tank and/or healer will remove the 30min initial wait that the DD has, but you might still get stuck seing the DF ready pop and withdraw over and over again for a good 10-20min before you can enter.

This just slows down the whole duty finder, as even tanks and healers who just would join whatever in progress or not, are stuck in limbo due to withdrawls from fishers.

[wildgalax]

[QUOTE=Choyi;1789837]

Well sorry if you feel offended that im 'wasting people's time'. i however don't buy that, and seems pretty childish to think that. As far as i know you will be immidiately put back into the front of the que, since i decide i dont wish to participate in a whole dungeon. I can understand to an extent if done like 20 times, to which im not supporting, and i doubt that is the typical case. Personally I would try once or twice, and cancel, and maybe try again later. If that causes a tantrum to people, then im shocked.

Anyway im all up for the penalty, and actually really eager to see just how much that 'fixes' the df ques.

[Zfz]

As far as i know you will be immidiately put back into the front of the que

This is my reply to another thread:

This is because you are getting a different group of people each time.

The matching system works in a two-stage process.

Stage 1: form a party from each of the role queues. Once the party is formed, send them to stage 2.
Stage 2: allocate instance, then pop the Commence dialog.

When someone withdraws, you restart from stage one, from scratch. That means the party is completely dissolved, everyone (except the one who withdrew) is thrown back to their respective role queues, and the system starts forming you into a new party as if you've never went past stage 1 in the first place.

This process is also why you can pop the Commence dialog (meaning you have been successfully allocated an instance), then someone withdraws, and then you form a new party only to sit at the Server Reservation.

It's also why at odd hours when there's only 1 tank in the world queueing dungeons, you could have 1 DD timeout (i.e. 1/1, 1/1, 1/2 at the Commence dialog) and then go back to staring at 0/1 1/1 2/2. It's because that only tank got sent to a different party.

So yes, we're put back to the front of the queue, but each time you withdraw from the Commence dialog, you force the other 3 people to reform a party.

Just accept that you are wasting people's time. Because it's a fact.

[wildgalax]

This is my reply to another thread:



So yes, we're put back to the front of the queue, but each time you withdraw from the Commence dialog, you force the other 3 people to reform a party.


Just accept that you are wasting people's time. Because it's a fact.

Theres no proof that it works that way so its not a fact. Even if it did that still leaves x amount of healers that are willing to click commence and y that aern't, whether the 'y's never logged in, or qued. Even if your case was true, the long run you will likely be favoured and pushed to the front other times to the back, so it would even out.

[Zfz]

Theres no proof that it works that way so its not a fact.

The Commence dialog means you have been allocated instance resource. It means "You may enter RIGHT NOW."
When someone withdraws, we are thrown back to the front of our respective role queues. (This was confirmed by devs.)
A system message says reforming party, and then, as many of us have experienced, we sit at "Server Reservation".

The above are the facts.

Why, after we have been given resources, would we need to wait for that resource again? Obviously because the resource have been given to other people. (Unless you think each time someone withdraws, it creates an empty instance that nobody can access.)

This means even though we were at the front of our queues (hence the Commence dialog), when someone withdraw, others take over our "entitled resources" and get into an instance before us.

Hence whoever withdraws, is wasting people's time.

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And even out or not isn't the problem. The problem is wasting people's time.

[wildgalax]

The Commence diale.

i still dont see how that proves that we are losing our spots in the que, and if we did go to the back of the line thats probably something se should've thought and changed by now.

And like i said earlier, even if that was the case with the ques in the long run you would have almost the same waiting time as if no one had withdrawn, since you would be favoured at times and other times not.

You may also want to think if your stuck in one of those dungeons and are waiting for a healer/tank, wouldn't you rather 1 join then them being in a fresh dungeon? So look at the big picture. At the end you have to weigh it out, there's no way anything will be perfect. However if they implement changes like some people have suggested of locking people out, i dont see that as a positive implementation. Either way its not going to affect me, it may just mean i wont be able to help people out in dungeons that they are struggling in.

[Lukahn]

Theres no proof that it works that way so its not a fact. Even if it did that still leaves x amount of healers that are willing to click commence and y that aern't, whether the 'y's never logged in, or qued. Even if your case was true, the long run you will likely be favoured and pushed to the front other times to the back, so it would even out.

It doesn't matter how right you think you are. The fact of the matter is that whether you are wasting people's time or not (sometimes you are, sometimes you aren't,) you are absolutely getting on almost everyone's nerves, which is obnoxious and rude. How you feel about that is up to you. The feature isn't there because you "don't feel like running the whole dungeon."