Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Slickpig]

Rare items is what makes mmos fun. It gives players something to strive towards. Now it's I don't even have to be good I can just buy Titan runs and everyone prances around every where wearing the exact same thing.

Completely agree! There were items in FFXI that I could just accept the fact that I was never going to have, and just enjoy the gear I had. But in this game, gear is so easy to get, you are expected to have the best. It's a shame really. It was ok not to have the best gear in 11, people for the most part didn't judge, unless you were way under geared. Much more variety of geared players in 11, everybody didn't look the same.

[Doo]

Completely agree! There were items in FFXI that I could just accept the fact that I was never going to have, and just enjoy the gear I had. But in this game, gear is so easy to get, you are expected to have the best. It's a shame really. It was ok not to have the best gear in 11, people for the most part didn't judge, unless you were way under geared. Much more variety of geared players in 11, everybody didn't look the same.

Yeah these days everyone needs to be super over geared to run fail safe content. Ilvl90, must know fight, 3 forms of id, must have mumble, 3 derps and you're kicked. It's funny the more casual you make it, the more the players try to separate themselves. This game is way way way more unfriendly to new players and players with lesser skills than ffxi ever was. In FFXI if I remember correctly artifact armor was still viable end game and player skill mattered more than gear.

[ApolloGenX]

Yeah these days everyone needs to be super over geared to run fail safe content. Ilvl90, must know fight, 3 forms of id, must have mumble, 3 derps and you're kicked. It's funny the more casual you make it, the more the players try to separate themselves. This game is way way way more unfriendly to new players and players with lesser skills than ffxi ever was. In FFXI if I remember correctly artifact armor was still viable end game and player skill mattered more than gear.

Yes, the easier and more simple the game, the more people try to distinguish themselves as "elite"... because in a harder or more complex game, most of those people wouldn't suffer the delusion that they are anything near "elite". When everyone is special, no one is... and personally, I have no problem accepting being a casual and not having the highest end stuff. However, when anyone can get anything, mediocre players start trying to be jerks and e-peening runs rampant.

Players start focusing on gear, because skill is something that is not really required. Since anyone can get gear, average players get something and then use that to justify their "superiority" over any players that have not gotten that item or items.

In older games I have played, the elite players were usually some of the nicest and most helpful players around. They didn't need to try to prove anything, it was obvious and they used their knowledge and skills to help other players.

[Doo]

However, when anyone can get anything, mediocre players start trying to be jerks and e-peening runs rampant.

So true, I had this Naruto name tank in duty finder Ultima call me out for "not knowing how to dance" I was white mage and he kept eating aoes and the group didn't know how to run bombs. So it was like me and another marked guy eating bombs by ourselves and dying to it. The party was taking way too much unnecessary damage as well and yet it was because I "didn't know how to dance". Way too many stories like these in this game of players being what I call "Fake Elitists"

On a side note

There was another DF Ultima fight humbled me. I was playing with new players that weren't doing so well and I called them out on what they were doing wrong. They acknowledge it and was willing to take my advice and thanked me for calling out the phases. If they were to of gotten a fake elitist rather than me, they would of been berated for being bad. It sort of made me wish that I would of been able to carry them through the fight but it's not possible through df and in general harder to do in this game compared to FFXI.

[Magis]

Yes, the easier and more simple the game, the more people try to distinguish themselves as "elite"... because in a harder or more complex game, most of those people wouldn't suffer the delusion that they are anything near "elite". When everyone is special, no one is... and personally, I have no problem accepting being a casual and not having the highest end stuff. However, when anyone can get anything, mediocre players start trying to be jerks and e-peening runs rampant.


Players start focusing on gear, because skill is something that is not really required. Since anyone can get gear, average players get something and then use that to justify their "superiority" over any players that have not gotten that item or items.

In older games I have played, the elite players were usually some of the nicest and most helpful players around. They didn't need to try to prove anything, it was obvious and they used their knowledge and skills to help other players.

I was in Haukke HM, and a tank in full DL + relic kept bitching at me that I was "gimped" and that we didn't have enough DPS, and also said "lol, why don't you have your relic?". The reason we were wiping actually, was because he couldn't tank adds for shit, and the WHM and me would get smacked. I would watch him chase adds w/o aggroing them, resorting to me and the DRG to kill them instead. Or screaming to LB when obv. the LB meter wasn't even at lvl 1. While I was taking the brunt of his whining, the other two got some shit too (and the DRG left because of it).

Mind you, I had completed that instance a few times before, and I had basically every DL piece except the robe and pants, as well as the GC weapon. It sat at a ilvl avg of 57 iirc? Haukke HM is a ilvl 48 instance, wtf do you want to do it in, Allagan gear?

This is FFXIV, where if you don't have the top gear to do instances which you can easily beat at ilvl 55, you are a "noob", regardless of your skill.

There was another DF Ultima fight humbled me. I was playing with new players that weren't doing so well and I called them out on what they were doing wrong. They acknowledge it and was willing to take my advice and thanked me for calling out the phases. If they were to of gotten a fake elitist rather than me, they would of been berated for being bad. It sort of made me wish that I would of been able to carry them through the fight but it's not possible through df and in general harder to do in this game compared to FFXI.

Mhmm. Funny enough, I was doing Ultima for the second time and someone pointed out my rotation was wrong. I thanked him and used the one he suggested. It made much more sense and had improved my damage. Being polite and respectful goes a longer ways as a group than acting like a 12 year old in CS.

[Taruranto]

Completely agree! There were items in FFXI that I could just accept the fact that I was never going to have, and just enjoy the gear I had. But in this game, gear is so easy to get, you are expected to have the best. It's a shame really. It was ok not to have the best gear in 11, people for the most part didn't judge, unless you were way under geared. Much more variety of geared players in 11, everybody didn't look the same.

Pretty much. It's good to have rare, almost unattainable items, it gives you sometime to strive for and look forward always. There were items in XI that I knew I could never get like the Dalmatica, but I was OK with it.

People in these game panic when they can't beat Titan HM and get their relic. Titan HM. A fight that isn't even half difficult as some CoP fights, and the reward for half of these fights was more fights.

Token system is the worst thing that can happen to a mmorpg. It doesn't help that this game has some of the worst "item stats" I ever seen (It's one of the main reason I left, completely boring and interesting gears).

[Vandark]

Token system is the worst thing that can happen to a mmorpg. It doesn't help that this game has some of the worst "item stats" I ever seen (It's one of the main reason I left, completely boring and interesting gears).

Ahh but we are the minority apparently so there shouldn't be any content for us to enjoy, guess we mine as well all leave then hey, OR they could do something about it and keep all there subscribers.

[Magis]

Completely agree! There were items in FFXI that I could just accept the fact that I was never going to have, and just enjoy the gear I had. But in this game, gear is so easy to get, you are expected to have the best. It's a shame really. It was ok not to have the best gear in 11, people for the most part didn't judge, unless you were way under geared. Much more variety of geared players in 11, everybody didn't look the same.

Agree 100%!

Even in early WoW there were items that took a long time to get and were really rare, giving them the "Legendary" status. Sulfuras and Windfury required to get past low drop rates in raid dungeons, crafting, as well as a long quest line to final build and obtain the legendary weapon. It reminds me of the relic quests, but they weren't literally given to you (also got crafters involved).

The original Ashbringer was going to be something like this, though it seems they killed the quest and it was forever stuck in it's corrupted form.

[Gojin]

Agree 100%!

Even in early WoW there were items that took a long time to get and were really rare, giving them the "Legendary" status. Sulfuras and Windfury required to get past low drop rates in raid dungeons, crafting, as well as a long quest line to final build and obtain the legendary weapon. It reminds me of the relic quests, but they weren't literally given to you (also got crafters involved).

The original Ashbringer was going to be something like this, though it seems they killed the quest and it was forever stuck in it's corrupted form.

uhh do you even play, bro? relics arnt just handed out actually I see a lot of people still raging they cant get passed Titan hard to get relic so swerve! I don't know what youre talking about, unless you want these items in the game that you will probably never be able to get so youll be back here whining about it.

[Magis]

uhh do you even play, bro? relics arnt just handed out actually I see a lot of people still raging they cant get passed Titan hard to get relic so swerve! I don't know what youre talking about, unless you want these items in the game that you will probably never be able to get so youll be back here whining about it.

Cool, so the whole relic quest line's difficult comes down to one boss. Titan is easy, the only reason people have trouble is due to it's cheap punishment for making a mistake (from any of the 8 players or latency issues) rather than any skill. The fight is heavily scripted and his attacks are easily dodged. Also, some people having trouble on Titan (for the previous reasons) doesn't change the fact that a majority of people have relic weapons. Sit in Revenant's Toll and you can see relics everywhere. I know some people who have relics on multiple jobs!

Compared to what FFXI took to get your relic or WoW to get a legendary, FFXIV's relic quest is a joke.

unless you want these items in the game that you will probably never be able to get

Believe it or not, there was a time when players were content that they couldn't get such rare items or had to be really lucky/do a lot of work. It was a big deal when you or someone got one.