I'm sure it has been said many time before.... but...

[ArcheustheWise]

Moments ago, during my first Praetorium run, I was met with a delicious mix of:

I feel you man, in reality the people should grow some patience and let you do what you paid for the game to do, enjoy the game. A lot of people are just rude. Which just shows you the state of the game. (personally im surprised they didn't use the kick feature on you)

GL to you though, hope you find the small percentage of people that actually care and will chill there while you watch you cutscene.

[Jingai]

The issue is some players feel entitle to a single player experience in a multi-player game.

It's a Pay to Play game with avenues for BOTH single or multi-player content. You're misusing the term "entitlement" in regards to this issue. When it's MY money being spent, if I want to feel 'entitled' to enjoy it single player, that's my business. If I want to spend it doing Multi-player, fine. It's my choice. Now, if you do a dungeon, then you're already accepting that you are in a group scenario and will need to work with others. IF you purposefully try to muck it up for others, that's different. I agree with you in that regard. I personally enjoy doing both single player AND multi-player. This topic has been twisted from it's original post, which just involved someone upset being forced to skip CS's when they want to view it the first time. They should be allowed. I was forced to skip mine cause someone speedran, so I sympathise with the OP.

[rabbitzero]

I feel you man, in reality the people should grow some patience and let you do what you paid for the game to do, enjoy the game. A lot of people are just rude. Which just shows you the state of the game. (personally im surprised they didn't use the kick feature on you)

GL to you though, hope you find the small percentage of people that actually care and will chill there while you watch you cutscene.

To be fair, i've been in more runs than not that if people wanted to watch them, we let them, just wanted to know so we didn't go in on boss. Once, i was in a run that everyone watched them, and we even wiped three times, yet, we finished with plenty of time, so the arguments it takes so long to watch them is bunk.

[Caraway]

You cutscene watchers are so selfish expecting the entire raid to wait for you at every cutscene while taking your sweet time reading. Group > individual.

Would be the right thing to do for the first timer to say I'll just watch it at the inn since the group wants to SR or I can leave and find another group that wants to watch every cutscene. You guys gotta get out of your single player mmo mindset. Group > individual.

I do what the group wants. If I queue into WP with new players, then I'll slow it down. If I queued into a group that knows it already, then it's a speed run. I don't know why players are acting like victims or something horrible. You can watch the cs later.

So to all of this above... No, group does not always count for more than the individual. What you "speedrunners" are ignoring, is that this is their first time. You only get one first time to experience this gateway into end-game content.

And you are ruining it. You are pushing away the people who will eventually be your comrades in arms, the people who will help you through Crystal Tower and any end-game dungeon you go to the Duty Finder for.

Can you just stop for a minute and think about what this must feel like to someone who has never done these dungeons before?

They've gone through the story, they get to this trumped up dungeon where all of the big stuff is going to really start happening. Finally after hundreds of quests of being an underpaid postal working, of fetching stinky cheese and crappy wine... You're actually going to take on the big bad!

But wait, no... Someone else already killed the big bad while you were watching the first cutscene to get an idea of what you're going in to.

Your experience has been ruined.

And why? Why was it ruined? Because someone wanted to get a few more of the more pointless tokens completed faster. Yep, your understanding of who that boss was, why you're fighting them, the importance of your mission (and in some cases even getting to fight the mob at all) is blown away because someone wants step three of a five step gearing process at end-game faster.

Do you not see how awful this is?

Yep that's why I'm glad I'm a tank AND healer, if you wanna watch CS go for it, I'm not stopping you, but I'm not about to hold up the entire group for ONE person. It's a win-win situation anyway. That person gets to watch CS and a easy run, I get to hurry and get my tomes.

How is not getting to participate in a dungeon a win for the new person? They're going to have no idea how the dungeon is supposed to be run so they're never going to be able to go back and help other new players.

Castrum in particular if you don't know the intended way to break the dungeon is an utter Charlie Foxtrot.

The problem with Castrum and Prae being, they each have 12 cutscenes. Waiting for people to watch them all in their entirety adds at a minimum 35 minutes to the run. This is a good long time for people to stand around with their hands in their pockets.

Prae does add a lot of time for its cutscenes, yes. But they're the culmination of your game. It's what you've been working towards this whole time. Caestrum doesn't actually add much time as most of the cutscenes are only a few seconds long anyway.

All in all though, it's just indicative of the "now now now" attitude of current MMO players that a tool that was put in to reward you for helping new people is being used as a tool to be lazy and unkind to people who are new to the game.

I have yet to actually see anyone who's done the Duty Roulette for these story dungeons be in a group without at least one new person.

So think about that for a moment... If it wasn't for that new person you wouldn't be getting your precious tomes of philosophy at all.

[ArcheustheWise]

To be fair, i've been in more runs than not that if people wanted to watch them, we let them, just wanted to know so we didn't go in on boss. Once, i was in a run that everyone watched them, and we even wiped three times, yet, we finished with plenty of time, so the arguments it takes so long to watch them is bunk.

To be fair, you probably had at least half of said group actually formed with friends right? If so, your the rare minority im taking about lol. The other people just have to follow suite because they cant complete the instance on their own.

That or your just incredibly lucky not to have ran into any rude people yet.

[Lumiin]

Snip.

Because it can't be ran again. Because you can't ask people what to do? Gasp o:

I just think it's hilarious that you guys think it's okay to hold 7 billion people up (like that one guy said) because of some stupid CS that can be rewatched every single time you enter the dungeon.

[Leknaat]

I remember two prae runs I've been in where the other 7 of us just zerged through everything while one person sat through every cutscene. They were still in cutscene when we exited. Kind of unfortunate but they got their cs's lol. I'm not sure they did more than fight two or three packs of trash mobs.

Generally the pace of the 2 dungeons is going to be set by the best geared tank.

Whenever we ran them for people in our FC, we'd get 1-2 pugs that would get impatient but as we were both tanks and healers and 2-3 of the 4 dps they were forced to go at our pace. Some whinged and moaned. Some left right at the first boss when it became clear that we weren't going to hurry people out of CSs.

The best thing is to form a PF group and check the "Story focused, no skipping CS" option and/or beg a bunch of people from your FC to help. Get at least enough people from your server to be both the tanks and both healers (Might want 5 people to make sure any vote to kicks fail). DPS learn to either leave or wait when no one's tanking/healing when they get impatient and facepull.

[Doo]

Do you not see how awful this is?

Not really, sounds over dramatic. If it was that important to them they can just set up a group to watch cutscenes together, it's not going to change how players play in df. That or if S.E decides to add a cutscene only checkbox but I doubt it will work since there's really not much demand for it. The queue time would probably be hours.

[Caraway]

Not really, sounds over dramatic. If it was that important to them they can just set up a group to watch cutscenes together, it's not going to change how players play in df. That or if S.E decides to add a cutscene only checkbox but I doubt it will work since there's really not much demand for it. The queue time would probably be hours.

Then you are short-sighted and I hope you enjoy the rest of the toxic community you're fostering.

[Lumiin]

If it was that important to them they can just set up a group to watch cutscenes together

Agreed.

Had a guy in my fc recently, just made it to end game and wanted to watch the CS. He asked us to run it with him and if it would be okay to watch cs, since he knew that he would most likely get a speed run in the DF. What's wrong with people doing that?
In WP sometimes I want to go slow, everyone usually speed runs that in DF so I grab a group of people to go slow with. Common sense right? Or should I whine about how it's okay for me to hold up the party?