I'm sure it has been said many time before.... but...

[Doo]

How about since it's her money spent each month to PAY to PLAY, she get to play HOW SHE WANTS?

I love it when players use this line. Play how you want to play in group content. That's why there's a kick option. You can play like an idiot, just won't be in my group.

If you're DD and you like to play how you want to play by pulling mobs before the tank. /kick
If you're tank but you want to play like a DD /kick
If you're healer and want to play like a DD /kick

Yeah play how you want to play, just not with me I like to play how I want to play too. But who gets to decide which way to play? The group.

That's why I said being a decent human comes in play, everyone is so selfish. "But it's mine so I'm important and everyone should do what I want all the time!!" If that's the way they really think, why do they expect other people to play how they want?

/shudders

The issue is some players feel entitle to a single player experience in a multi-player game.

[Jingai]

You can play like an idiot, just won't be in my group.

I would not presume to refer to ME as an idiot sir. MY point was that if I choose to enjoy a CS, it's my f'ing money, it's my right to enjoy it. As is anyone else. When I'm in a party however, I do my job just fine, no complaints. The group doesn't decide how I play, I do what I'm suppose to so it flows how it should, NOT because I'm ordered to do anything. If that's how you run groups, I wouldn't want to play with you anyways. However, you ough'ta be more careful WHO you refer to as an idiot. I didn't judge you before, I just disagreed with people being forced to skip their CS's on the whim of someone in a hurry when they've spent good money monthly to be able to enjoy it if this choose to.

[Jingai]

The issue is some players feel entitle to a single player experience in a multi-player game.

It's a Pay to Play game with avenues for BOTH single or multi-player content. You're misusing the term "entitlement" in regards to this issue. When it's MY money being spent, if I want to feel 'entitled' to enjoy it single player, that's my business. If I want to spend it doing Multi-player, fine. It's my choice. Now, if you do a dungeon, then you're already accepting that you are in a group scenario and will need to work with others. IF you purposefully try to muck it up for others, that's different. I agree with you in that regard. I personally enjoy doing both single player AND multi-player. This topic has been twisted from it's original post, which just involved someone upset being forced to skip CS's when they want to view it the first time. They should be allowed. I was forced to skip mine cause someone speedran, so I sympathise with the OP.

[Caraway]

You cutscene watchers are so selfish expecting the entire raid to wait for you at every cutscene while taking your sweet time reading. Group > individual.

Would be the right thing to do for the first timer to say I'll just watch it at the inn since the group wants to SR or I can leave and find another group that wants to watch every cutscene. You guys gotta get out of your single player mmo mindset. Group > individual.

I do what the group wants. If I queue into WP with new players, then I'll slow it down. If I queued into a group that knows it already, then it's a speed run. I don't know why players are acting like victims or something horrible. You can watch the cs later.

So to all of this above... No, group does not always count for more than the individual. What you "speedrunners" are ignoring, is that this is their first time. You only get one first time to experience this gateway into end-game content.

And you are ruining it. You are pushing away the people who will eventually be your comrades in arms, the people who will help you through Crystal Tower and any end-game dungeon you go to the Duty Finder for.

Can you just stop for a minute and think about what this must feel like to someone who has never done these dungeons before?

They've gone through the story, they get to this trumped up dungeon where all of the big stuff is going to really start happening. Finally after hundreds of quests of being an underpaid postal working, of fetching stinky cheese and crappy wine... You're actually going to take on the big bad!

But wait, no... Someone else already killed the big bad while you were watching the first cutscene to get an idea of what you're going in to.

Your experience has been ruined.

And why? Why was it ruined? Because someone wanted to get a few more of the more pointless tokens completed faster. Yep, your understanding of who that boss was, why you're fighting them, the importance of your mission (and in some cases even getting to fight the mob at all) is blown away because someone wants step three of a five step gearing process at end-game faster.

Do you not see how awful this is?

Yep that's why I'm glad I'm a tank AND healer, if you wanna watch CS go for it, I'm not stopping you, but I'm not about to hold up the entire group for ONE person. It's a win-win situation anyway. That person gets to watch CS and a easy run, I get to hurry and get my tomes.

How is not getting to participate in a dungeon a win for the new person? They're going to have no idea how the dungeon is supposed to be run so they're never going to be able to go back and help other new players.

Castrum in particular if you don't know the intended way to break the dungeon is an utter Charlie Foxtrot.

The problem with Castrum and Prae being, they each have 12 cutscenes. Waiting for people to watch them all in their entirety adds at a minimum 35 minutes to the run. This is a good long time for people to stand around with their hands in their pockets.

Prae does add a lot of time for its cutscenes, yes. But they're the culmination of your game. It's what you've been working towards this whole time. Caestrum doesn't actually add much time as most of the cutscenes are only a few seconds long anyway.

All in all though, it's just indicative of the "now now now" attitude of current MMO players that a tool that was put in to reward you for helping new people is being used as a tool to be lazy and unkind to people who are new to the game.

I have yet to actually see anyone who's done the Duty Roulette for these story dungeons be in a group without at least one new person.

So think about that for a moment... If it wasn't for that new person you wouldn't be getting your precious tomes of philosophy at all.

[Lumiin]

Snip.

Because it can't be ran again. Because you can't ask people what to do? Gasp o:

I just think it's hilarious that you guys think it's okay to hold 7 billion people up (like that one guy said) because of some stupid CS that can be rewatched every single time you enter the dungeon.

[Doo]

Do you not see how awful this is?

Not really, sounds over dramatic. If it was that important to them they can just set up a group to watch cutscenes together, it's not going to change how players play in df. That or if S.E decides to add a cutscene only checkbox but I doubt it will work since there's really not much demand for it. The queue time would probably be hours.

[Caraway]

Not really, sounds over dramatic. If it was that important to them they can just set up a group to watch cutscenes together, it's not going to change how players play in df. That or if S.E decides to add a cutscene only checkbox but I doubt it will work since there's really not much demand for it. The queue time would probably be hours.

Then you are short-sighted and I hope you enjoy the rest of the toxic community you're fostering.

[Deculture]

This entire thread is basically people holding expectations for a random duty finder/LFD system group of strangers (whether it's the expectation of a speed run or a no-cutscene skip run). Are you people new to MMOs? Have you never played an MMO with an LFD kind of system in place? For everyone's sake, just use the amazing party finder tool to put together your own group with like-minded individuals. Hell, SE even put it "don't skip cutscenes" and "urgent" as drop down options.

[Lumiin]

If it was that important to them they can just set up a group to watch cutscenes together

Agreed.

Had a guy in my fc recently, just made it to end game and wanted to watch the CS. He asked us to run it with him and if it would be okay to watch cs, since he knew that he would most likely get a speed run in the DF. What's wrong with people doing that?
In WP sometimes I want to go slow, everyone usually speed runs that in DF so I grab a group of people to go slow with. Common sense right? Or should I whine about how it's okay for me to hold up the party?

[ArcheustheWise]

Agreed.

Had a guy in my fc recently, just made it to end game and wanted to watch the CS. He asked us to run it with him and if it would be okay to watch cs, since he knew that he would most likely get a speed run in the DF. What's wrong with people doing that?
In WP sometimes I want to go slow, everyone usually speed runs that in DF so I grab a group of people to go slow with. Common sense right? Or should I whine about how it's okay for me to hold up the party?

Because it is common knowledge that if you want a speed run you call out in mor dhona. IF you use DF, you better be prepared to experience the game as it was intended.