Would Abjuration's be possible in FFXIV? Future Gear.

[randomrope]

Also the reason why Prices were so high, is the fact that you need high level crafters to make the Cursed and most of the items you need hard to obtain materials.

It took me millions and millions of Gil in FFXI to level GSM and I only got to 93. So the big difference in FFXIV is a craft can be leveled in a day. So its not like FFXI. If you go back up and read what I suggested the Materials would be bought with Tomes. The only thing stopping people from getting the gear is RNG and Time. Nothing any different that the current set up we have now.

What is the difference between farming runs for a drop and farming the "millions of gil"? I don't want to grind away mindlessly for gil in whatever fashion whether that is crafting or farming items to sell. Its all the same thing. You even said you would want to use tomes. Thats the exact same thing. Your just farming tomes for something different.

[Arkista]

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Ok so You must have missed the part where I said that ABJ's would be 100% drops, But you would still have to deal with RNG to get the piece your after. It would be no different than going to coils for Allagan gear each turn two pieces are 100% but you have to deal with RNG on which pieces drops. So how would an ABJ system be any different if it worked the same?

As for crafting me and you must be playing two different versions of FFXIV. Cause the one I play Crafting is to damn easy to level and can be done in a day if someone really wanted to, because I've basically done it with one.

Yes it's from FFXI but what game doesn't already copy another game? I believe there is a huge thread about how they want FFXIV to be less like a WOW clone? Never played that game so idk. These days "New Games" don't come up with original stuff They copy it from other games. When they do, other games copy them.

Crafting the Cursed gear wouldn't be difficult you get Some Gathering Materials and then you buy some Material from Tomes that have a weekly Cap find a Crafter and have it crafted or buy it from the MB. What is so hard about that? It will take time to get done.

As for FFXI ABJ's most of them came from HNMs with crappy drop rates that's not what I'm asking to be implemented cause we all know NM/HNMs will probably never be useful in this game.

[Sylve]

-> gets ABJ.
-> Guys to MW to buy Cursed Item.
-> almost dies of laughter for the ridiculous prices on offer.
-> levels appropriate Craft to make Item for myself and FC mates.

Where's your Economy now?

[Arkista]

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Because you don't have to Farm Mindlessly for Gil. The only thing you would have to farm is the Tomes beside the actual ABJ drop. And I doubt Gathering materials would cost an arm and a leg. And farming for Tomes that have a weekly cap is a hell of a lot different than farming countless hours for Gil. So you never have to farm for gil ever unless you want to. Guess what there will be people who can get the Cursed gear faster cause they have the Gil to spend but oh well.

The only real Con I see to a system like this is that people have to get over their "It's mine and I want it now" mentality. Did WOW,GW2 or w/e not have gear that people had to work hard for to obtain? We are so damn lucky in this game that every thing is handed to use on a Platinum Platter. To get gear all we have to do is login and complete a few task.

[NeruMew]

Because you don't have to Farm Mindlessly for Gil. The only thing you would have to farm is the Tomes beside the actual ABJ drop. And I doubt Gathering materials would cost an arm and a leg. And farming for Tomes that have a weekly cap is a hell of a lot different than farming countless hours for Gil. So you never have to farm for gil ever unless you want to. Guess what there will be people who can get the Cursed gear faster cause they have the Gil to spend but oh well.

The only real Con I see to a system like this is that people have to get over their "It's mine and I want it now" mentality. Did WOW,GW2 or w/e not have gear that people had to work hard for to obtain? We are so damn lucky in this game that every thing is handed to use on a Platinum Platter. To get gear all we have to do is login and complete a few task.

Nooooooooooo! no game comparisons! It only bring rage This is game is no harder than any of those others regardless.

On topic, I still believe a finely tuned token system (note: NOT the same than currency) for end game gear works well, not to compare with other games, but there are those that use token systems for gear drops (atleast set pieces) and go around just find >_> -rolls eyes,I DID NOT DO THAT!-

Also, Any system can bring issues as there will always be people discontent, but, point falls whether or not those cons are acceptable or not on the overall context.

Because it was oh so fun rolling against two thirds of my raid for my set pieces.

Tsk tsk, same chances of winning, and more chances for someone else to get it as well.

Slightly less chance to get the same repetitive drop without anyone really needing it first.

It's the same difference if X boss drops has between it's loot table 9 items, one for each job, or 3, that each serves 3 different jobs alike.

I think more would still likely prefer that one item that serves 3 classes to drop 5 times in a row, than that DRG piece of gear drop 3 times in a row when you only have one dragoon.

Ideally, what this proposal really brings to the table is more integration of the crafting jobs, however, it does seem like it is not the direction SE wants the game to take, where crafters play a core or very raiding raiding related part in this game.

[Sylve]

Nooooooooooo! no game comparisons! It only bring rage This is game is no harder than any of those others regardless.

On topic, I still believe a finely tuned token system (note: NOT the same than currency) for end game gear works well, not to compare with other games, but there are those that use token systems for gear drops (atleast set pieces) and go around just find >_> -rolls eyes,I DID NOT DO THAT!-

Also, Any system can bring issues as there will always be people discontent, but, point falls whether or not those cons are acceptable or not on the overall context.

Because it was oh so fun rolling against two thirds of my raid for my set pieces.

[LineageRazor]

One of the primary reasons for abj gear is not even an issue in this game. Abj gear was introduced to FFXI partly due to the fact that resale of equipment was seriously harming the crafting industry. Sure, one crafter might make and sell a Bone Subligar +1, but the buyer would just resell it once they were through with it. There'd be a couple thousand Bone Subligart in circulation on a given server, and yet more and more Bonecrafters were leveling each year. Abj gear, on the other hand, was both crafted AND non-resellable, a first for that game - there would be a market for crafting new pieces for as long as the piece was useful equipment.

Resale is not an issue in this game. ALL gear becomes unsellable once you've used it. There's little difference between running a dungeon to get an abjuration and running the dungeon to get a rare crafting item. Especially since crafting is so easy that you can probably just level the craft and craft it yourself, once you have the rare item. :P

[Sylve]

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In every MMO ever, there are wasted drops. Why is it even a problem?

Some of the Crafters around here want the game to revolve around them, forcing those of us with no interest in crafting to buy their grossly overpriced items in order to progress.

Want the Markets to pick up? FIrst, ask yourself why in the hell a Ring(sub lvl20) that costs me 20 gil to make is sitting pretty in the Market Wards for between 1000 - 2000 Gil.

[Arkista]

Ideally, what this proposal really brings to the table is more integration of the crafting jobs, however, it does seem like it is not the direction SE wants the game to take, where crafters play a core or very raiding raiding related part in this game.

You would still have to "Raid" to get the ABJ's.

This is not directed at you. I see a lot of people crying on these forums about this game and how they don't like this or that and it should be changed. I would have to say less than 5% of them try to give a suggestion to the problem they are upset about. I just think people should just try to give suggestions to help fix problems instead of Crying and getting nothing done. What people suggest doesn't have to be the best idea to everyone, It just has to get the attention of a few (The DEVs). I see a lot of good ideas pop up and they get all the attention but none from the right people. Then I see Dafuq did they just ask for get done.

In every MMO ever, there are wasted drops. Why is it even a problem?

Some of the Crafters around here want the game to revolve around them, forcing those of us with no interest in crafting to buy their grossly overpriced items in order to progress.

Want the Markets to pick up? FIrst, ask yourself why in the hell a Ring(sub lvl20) that costs me 20 gil to make is sitting pretty in the Market Wards for between 1000 - 2000 Gil.

Because like all games you have players who would rather spend the extra gil to get it now vs. them taking 5-10mins to get it done.

[Taruranto]

Nope, Abjurations only drop in FFXI. And they won't do anything like this (we've asked for it a million times already) unless the crafted items are still not as good as endgame drops, even if you have to kill an endgame monster to get them. They don't feel people should be able to buy the best gear in the game.

TL;DR: It's unpossible due to SE's stance on crafted gear.

It's funny cause you can already "buy" the best gears with tokens already.