An Open Letter to Yoshida-san: Please Slice One Zero Off the Housing Prices

[Roris]

It's only housing beta phase 1, phase 3 will fix it just give them even more and more time.

[Dox]

It's only housing beta phase 1, phase 3 will fix it just give them even more and more time.

"Beta" Housing? Time will tell, but until then grinding away for Gil for our FC house.

[HEC]

Without any hope of getting a proper solution to this or even any no-fob-off answer but we should not give up and try to keep this thread alive ...

[Jadi]

I think part of the problem is on Legacy servers there appears to be a lot more gil than there actually is. You all remember Ceaderwood RMT bots? They ran 24/7/365 for the lifespan of 1.0 and that gil that they generated is sill there. It makes it appear that there is more gil on the server than there actually is. On my server last time I looked there were 3 houses sold period. It's been a month since the content was released.. since you have so many empty wards already created I'm gonna take a guess and say you expect them to fill up some? Well... the wards are 99% empty. I think it's safe to say you got something wrong.

[ArkhamNative]

Remember that the prices were set so high to prevent housing plot sales. It wasn't to make them affordable after months of gameplay, but months of gameplay beyond the 4 months (or for Legacy, beyond the over the 2 years) already played.

Internally SE knows how many houses their current capacity can handle. It's probably more than 5 per world (or whatever the current sales number is), but is likely less than a small number like 30.

Friday Legacy housing prices drop by 12.5%, the second of many steps of the "Legacy World price plummet" program, but later in January prices across all worlds will be "re-evaluated". This is where we will see how much SE wants more sales. The few sold may make them lower pricing significantly, though they also don't want a rush of purchases that will overload capacity.

[ZohnoReecho]

I don't get why housing should be something that you can get in 1 month.
But also I don't get how you, when the prices will be halved, won't be able to get an house with your FC.
And don't reply with "half my FC doesn't wanna work to buy it"; then you should rework your priorities as FC. If they don't want it then don't buy it.
I halfassedly sold few things in the market, gathered stuff here and there, from treasure maps to random crafts done to level up a bit my DoH jobs (and you can check on the lodestone how "high" they are), and I gathered around 500K gil since the update (based on what I currently have, so excluding repairs, teleports, food etc.), considering holidays in between. If i wanted to, probably, I could have gathered maybe 30-50% more than that.
Unless you are going for the biggest shinier house, your FC is doing it wrong if you cannot gather enough money for when the prices will be lowered.

You've aparently replied to this thread without reading a SINGLE vaulauble (20+ likes) post here ... I'd not even bother to argue with people like you - please go back and read a few highly rated posts to UNDERSTAND what is the whole fuss about.

not going to read 159 pages of posts that can be summarized as "please give us cheaper houses, we don't wanna waste time over this"
just out of curiosity, how much would be "fair" for you for the various kinds of houses?

I think:

Small - 8-10 million
Medium - 16-20 million
Large - 64-80 million

Yoshida said that legacy servers prices will fall towards tier 3 prices and in the end they will match them. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...44#post1685344

          Fifth-class Plot    Fourth-class Plot    Third-class Plot    Second-class Plot    First-class Plot
Small            8,000,000            8,500,000           9,000,000            9,800,000          10,000,000
Medium          30,000,000           31,875,000          33,750,000           35,625,000          37,500,000
Large          100,000,000          106,250,000         112,500,000          118,750,000         125,000,000

So they will cost half of what is in that table, even cheaper compared to what you said.

…it's totally obvious every player on that server has at least 50 mil even after ARR slashed 1/10 off everyone's gil, because big numbers mean everyone has big numbers, my logic has no flaw, I dislike reading and being proved wrong.…

I think Yoshida already said that Legacy servers prices are going down, so what's your excuse to whine now? Find one quickly before your whinemeter goes down.

[HEC]

I don't get why housing should be something that you can get in 1 month.

You've aparently replied to this thread without reading a SINGLE vaulauble (20+ likes) post here ... I'd not even bother to argue with people like you - please go back and read a few highly rated posts to UNDERSTAND what is the whole fuss about.

[Eekiki]

Friday Legacy housing prices drop by 12.5%, the second of many steps of the "Legacy World price plummet" program, but later in January prices across all worlds will be "re-evaluated". This is where we will see how much SE wants more sales. The few sold may make them lower pricing significantly, though they also don't want a rush of purchases that will overload capacity.

Shh...this is "not relevant" according to the whiners in this thread.

not going to read 159 pages of posts that can be summarized as "please give us cheaper houses, we don't wanna waste time over this"

Except the "highly rated" (as if that means something) posters have carefully spun their words so they could claim that isn't what they're saying even though it obviously is.

The OP (with over 700 likes) expressed disappointment he wouldn't be in a house by Christmas (~2 weeks).

What the OP didn't tell you is that he is the one and only person in his FC, and that's his main beef. He is upset because he can't get a FC house all by himself.

But... what's a fair price? Yoshi-P says the game can provide ~17k/day. Let's say 4 days a week is a fair expectation for most active players. That's 272k/month. I say players shouldn't give 100% to the cause, and of course they have individual expenses (repair, gear upgrade, etc.), so call it 50% to the FC.

That 17k estimate was only taking daily quests and duty roulette bonuses into consideration. In my experience, the amount of gil you get from doing that stuff is considerably higher (I generally end up with over 30k if I run all my roulettes as the in-demand role). But that doesn't take into account things like treasure hunts. A group of 8 people, presumably from the same FC, and each with a peisteskin map, can bring in a substantial amount of gil with every character earning over 1,000 gil for each chest (and on some occasions over 5,000). Multiply that amount by 64 and you can see it's not much trouble for a single person to earn over 100,000 gil every day without even touching the market boards if they have a group of dedicated friends to work with. And if you don't have a group of dedicated friends, no amount of game redesigning is going to fix that.

They have all of the information they need and have had time to properly prepare their servers.

If only it was as simple as "preparing their servers"...

[ArkhamNative]

The OP (with over 700 likes) expressed disappointment he wouldn't be in a house by Christmas (~2 weeks). So I can see where some people would assume the thread is about "give us our house now". In actuality, it's less about "whiners" and "white knights" than all that.

The gist of the thread is that housing prices were set too high. And within 2.5 days (on Dec 17), Yoshi-P himself responded (with over 200 likes) to say yes, that is correct, that prices were set high to prevent rapid purchases and will be coming down (faster than the slow ticking 6-hour price decreases of 0.14%). 10 days later SE posted they they will be slicing half a zero (divide by 5) off of the highest legacy world pricing. And by the 3 month countdown, it will be a full zero sliced off those housing prices. So many may think there's not much left to argue about.

But... what's a fair price? Yoshi-P says the game can provide ~17k/day. Let's say 4 days a week is a fair expectation for most active players. That's 272k/month. I say players shouldn't give 100% to the cause, and of course they have individual expenses (repair, gear upgrade, etc.), so call it 50% to the FC. Roughly estimating, I say houses are currently sized for 15/50/100 people. Multiply to get 2M/7M/14M gil earned in a month for S/M/L housing.

Even at 2 months that's not enough for the 5M/20M/66M that the cheapest S/M/L prices will have ticked down to. (Does SE price houses for 20/80/250 member FCs?) Finally, I would say housing is worth maybe 1.5 months of work. So that would put the 6-week prices at 3M/10M/20M. If SE continues with their 3-month countdown scheme, that makes housing start at about half of group 3 pricing. That would be starting prices of 4M/14M/28M that trickled down to half that over 3 months. That seems fair based on the amounts of gil the game doles out.

TL;DR: 4M/14M/28M.

[Talynia]

I don't get why housing should be something that you can get in 1 month.
But also I don't get how you, when the prices will be halved, won't be able to get an house with your FC.
And don't reply with "half my FC doesn't wanna work to buy it"; then you should rework your priorities as FC. If they don't want it then don't buy it.
I halfassedly sold few things in the market, gathered stuff here and there, from treasure maps to random crafts done to level up a bit my DoH jobs (and you can check on the lodestone how "high" they are), and I gathered around 500K gil since the update (based on what I currently have, so excluding repairs, teleports, food etc.), considering holidays in between. If i wanted to, probably, I could have gathered maybe 30-50% more than that.

Not everyone gets lucky on the market board even when they are doing everything they can to make money off of it. When I put in the effort I can make money easily, other people in my FC can put in the same effort and not be so lucky. Not sure why but that is just the way it goes really.

Housing could have been handled a lot better. When I look at what Wildstar is doing with their personal housing and what Rift has done with their dimensions and then look at what SE is doing to their housing market I can't help but question the quality of the devs working on this game. I feel the devs are so worried about RMT and the fact that they keep improperly planning for what their servers can and cannot handle that it is just limiting the use of features the game has.

No one is asking for the big mansion on the hill the first day. That should be reasonably expensive and something to work towards whether it be free company or personal housing. Decorating the house should be a gil sink and when they release it, chocobo raising and building the airship should be as well. Getting the summoning bells, training dummies, etc. all of those should take time, effort, crafting, and gil.

Another issue is we are lacking more information from the devs about what each sizes of the houses can do. Will only the large houses be able to build airships? Will each plot be able to support chocobo raising? Will I be able to raise chocobos in my personal house, fc house, or both? You cannot tell me that they have been working on housing for over a year and some of these details are not already decided. Also, the more I think about it the more I wish the devs would have just waited to release housing and released it chocobo farming. I think another problem is right now all you can do is decorate the house and hangout there with your FC. This adds another reason pricing is so high because with only so much to do with housing if all the plots were being bought on a much more regular basis, gil still wouldn't be leaving circulation as fast as SE would probably like and people would be twiddling their thumbs after a month or two until the next major housing patch.

Shh...this is "not relevant" according to the whiners in this thread.

It's a forced limitation because SE didn't plan their server capacity properly once again. If they wanted us to wait 3 months for housing then they should have just released it in 2.2 after they made the proper adjustments. Putting it behind a wall that requires that long of grinding and saving is serving to frustrate a part of the playerbase, not encourage it.