Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Miiu]

Can we please stop using DF as a valid source of clearing fights that need coordination? Yes parties happen in Duty finder where you clear those fights but relying on people who generally expect a one shot and leave if they don't get it after one round. Or even before that when somebody says "Sorry guys I'm new to the fight". Duty Finder is in most cases used to get some practice before joining local parties.
Like others have stated people wanted something challenging and not so "casual" friendly. They got the extreme battles. (Not going to argue the individual difficulty per person) but chances are if you guys can't beat it (Having problems to dodge etc) those fights are not for you. If you feel like you should be able to beat it but are held back by others. Join those "screw up once and kick parties". Those are mostly not one-shots either but "bad"(please don't nail me on this word) players are replaced at much quicker rate.

Is it frustrating wiping on Titan X amount of times because people can't dodge consistently? Of course it is and this is where I agree the no "fun" can be applied.
Should the fight be changed? No. There are enough people beating it and on a personal node I wish these fights would be harder (random rotations anyone?).
There is content in this game that is not fun for everybody. I don't think crafting is fun in this game but I'm not running around telling everyone and their mother that crafting should be changed just because it doesn't appeal to me.

[Doo]

Can we please stop using DF as a valid source of clearing fights that need coordination? Yes parties happen in Duty finder where you clear those fights but relying on people who generally expect a one shot and leave if they don't get it after one round. Or even before that when somebody says "Sorry guys I'm new to the fight". Duty Finder is in most cases used to get some practice before joining local parties.

Players don't do this in Ultima because even though they fail over and over from my experience because the mechanics aren't cheap

[Miiu]

Players don't do this in Ultima because even though they fail over and over from my experience because the mechanics aren't cheap

Neither are Titan's.

[gadenp]

Neither are Titan's.

I don't agree. Titan mechanics are cheap.

[Doo]

Neither are Titan's.

Something is wrong with the mechanics when parties don't even stay after one or two tries while in Ultima most groups that I've been in stays till the end.

[Miiu]

Something is wrong with the mechanics when parties don't even stay after one or two tries while in Ultima most groups that I've been in stays till the end.

That experience is purely subjective. I had many groups in UltimaHM who broke up after the first failed attempt. And just because some people are impatient doesn't mean the mechanics are broken.

[SarcasmMisser]

I don't get it ultima is also a 100% scripted fight, the only difference is that it's significantly easier. These opinions on what is "fair" difficulty are becoming suspect.

[Axidrain]

Something is wrong with the mechanics when parties don't even stay after one or two tries while in Ultima most groups that I've been in stays till the end.

id say theres something wrong with the players when they cant even figure out a fight

[Davionx]

ddr just isnt fun, come up with something else

[Hitome]

Most groups I have df'ed with have trouble surviving to the heart phase and even when they make it they can't burn it down. Once in awhile we get to phase 5 and like half the party or more dies right off the bat. I can keep the tank alive till Titan rocks me though. Maybe it's different now than back then but I doubt it. Player finder is a bit different because you can set your own criteria and often players are doing it for other jobs that need relics. Not truly a group of randoms from my experience.

It is much different after the patch as far as DF goes. Having the DPS with the minimum gear assures the heart will go down (almost). Can always pop into cleric to push it over. I don't think many groups I've been in post patch have had to use the LB to down it.

Before the patch, I had maybe 4~5 DF wins in 110+ so there was definitely something wrong. Post patch, I seem to win 7 in 10 I'd say? Maybe a little lower. Haven't failed with a PF group yet, at least. Maybe a few wipes before everyone knows what's going on or I find another DPS that is helping out to break me out of gaols.

As far as the rest of you are concerned...I feel the need to keep repeating this until you understand the word:

extreme
[ik-streem]
adjective, ex·trem·er, ex·trem·est.
1.of a character or kind farthest removed from the ordinary or average: extreme measures.
2.utmost or exceedingly great in degree: extreme difficulty.
3.farthest from the center or middle; outermost; endmost: the extreme limits of a town.
4.farthest, utmost, or very far in any direction: an object at the extreme point of vision.
5.exceeding the bounds of moderation: extreme fashions.

That's exactly what the word implies.

Most of you will never complete it. And you know what? That's fine. It isn't meant to be fun. It isn't meant to be a walk in the park where you are handed a free relic+1 at the end. It's optional content. It's content, much like Twintania, where you throw yourself at it for hours until you eventually get it right: gaining immense satisfaction after downing something that can be frustrating/that you've spent many real life hours on and possibly rewarding you with some loot.

Don't like memorizing patterns? Can't deal with the lag that many others deal with? Can't handle the fact that you must bring your best or you will fail? Titan is not for you.

If 14 consisted of only these types of fights, then you might have a reason to whine. However, you can do many other things in this game without having to bash your head against Titan's wall for hours. There is much more content that is 'friendly' than there are extreme fights like Titan Ex and Twintania. Go find that content and enjoy the game.