Global Chat

[Nipa]

Summary of the thread :
"There is no reason for not having optional global chats. Every other game do well with them."
"It will never work, RTM and players will spam! I don't want them. I'd rather be eaten by an angry Lala than have a global chat!"
"But it's optional!"
"I don't want them!"
"Optional!"
"You are obviously stupid if you want them!"
"Optional!"
"For god sake, please, never ever a global chat channel in that game!"
"Optional!"
"I can have any opinion I want!"
"Optional!"
"I don't want them because you want them!"


... and I have yet to understand why anyone would not want to have them.

[MeowyWowie]

Summary of the thread :
"There is no reason for not having optional global chats. Every other game do well with them."
"It will never work, RTM and players will spam! I don't want them. I'd rather be eaten by an angry Lala than have a global chat!"
"But it's optional!"
"I don't want them!"
"Optional!"
"You are obviously stupid if you want them!"
"Optional!"
"For god sake, please, never ever a global chat channel in that game!"
"Optional!"
"I can have any opinion I want!"
"Optional!"
"I don't want them because you want them!"


... and I have yet to understand why anyone would not want to have them.

Because even if they are made optional, the people with it turned off will miss out on chat that pertains to their situation. Be it selling, buying, missions, whatever, anyone who has it filtered off will be at a disadvantage to those who don't mind all the spam.

You (not you, Nipa, just in general) would also have to be extremely naive to think that people will use them the way they are intended. ManekiKanji's comment about the market wards is a perfect example.

I'd much rather they improve shout and make it zone wide. Give us a FFXI/FFXIV hybrid party recruitment system. Give us a global feature to improve personal bazaars, similar to FFXI's /seacoms but much, much more advanced and organized.

For anything other than global general chat, there is always another solution. If general chat could be used only as a general chat interface, not buying, selling, recruiting, etc.. then I'd be all for it. I would filter it and forget it. But in reality, we all know that would never be the case.

[normalforce]

Because even if they are made optional, the people with it turned off will miss out on chat that pertains to their situation. Be it selling, buying, missions, whatever, anyone who has it filtered off will be at a disadvantage to those who don't mind all the spam.

But they already are at a disadvantage! Someone shouting in Limsa selling a particular item will miss out on a sale because the exact person who would want it is in Ul'dah. That person fishing right outside of Limsa would never know about that shout or any other shout either. A city wide /shout wouldn't fix that.

As it stands, you're missing out on, at least, 2/3rds of the chatter that could pertain to your situation. And that's just from being in one city and missing out on the WTS/WTB or LFG chatter from the other two.

This is exactly what global chat channels would solve. If there was a channel for selling, and another for buying you simply keep both open up in a tab and between fights or whatever task you are doing, you flick to it occasionally to see who's selling or looking to buy what.

You (not you, Nipa, just in general) would also have to be extremely naive to think that people will use them the way they are intended. ManekiKanji's comment about the market wards is a perfect example.

I'd much rather they improve shout and make it zone wide. Give us a FFXI/FFXIV hybrid party recruitment system. Give us a global feature to improve personal bazaars, similar to FFXI's /seacoms but much, much more advanced and organized.

For anything other than global general chat, there is always another solution. If general chat could be used only as a general chat interface, not buying, selling, recruiting, etc.. then I'd be all for it. I would filter it and forget it. But in reality, we all know that would never be the case.

This argument about missing out on potentially useful shouts because you have a particular channel toggle off is like arguing against YG having a bazaar section on their website because you don't go there to make use of it.

If you don't join a channel, then you don't get to see the chatter. Simple as that. You're already missing out on a majority of the it already. Adding the ability to hear the chatter from the other two cities can only help you. And people will still use /shout, of that there is no doubt, in addition to global channels.

Because if I had the option of selling something to the guy standing right next to me, or waiting for someone 2 zones and a boat ride away to come to meet me to buy something, I'm selling it to the guy right next to me. Hands down, no thought involved.

And I agree that there are other features they could only help improve the game, but a global chat is not the disaster that it's been made out to be. I've seen it work brilliantly in an MMO before.

Are your objections to it because you anticipate everyone on the server going into the WTS channel and having idle conversation and gossip about the latest fashion and news, overwhelming the legitimate text from people actually trying to sell something?

[Mack]

Summary of the thread :
"There is no reason for not having optional global chats. Every other game do well with them."
"It will never work, RTM and players will spam! I don't want them. I'd rather be eaten by an angry Lala than have a global chat!"
"But it's optional!"
"I don't want them!"
"Optional!"
"You are obviously stupid if you want them!"
"Optional!"
"For god sake, please, never ever a global chat channel in that game!"
"Optional!"
"I can have any opinion I want!"
"Optional!"
"I don't want them because you want them!"


... and I have yet to understand why anyone would not want to have them.

first off LOL nice. Second, I think majority of people against them is whether or not its optional it will become the most used and people hate it, in a sense their hands will be forced to use global chat because everyone else uses it for everything, so it doesn't become optional really. Its the same as someone saying (for instance) you can grind mobs for 200 SP a pop but we are making guild leve mobs 600 SP a pop and no limit on how many leves you can do...sure leves are optional but obviously you will never manage a grind party as long as leves exist.

Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter, and I personally have always hated global chat in every game I've seen it in so I will always say no but if it makes a showing I'm not gonna cry over it.

EDIT: actually a better example would probably be having an AH and MW at the same time, sure either one is optional but if everyone congregates to using one over the other, it makes the other choice obsolete and the one doesn't become optional. Its obviously not to the same degree but its a point and its been made.

[trinta]

EDIT: actually a better example would probably be having an AH and MW at the same time, sure either one is optional but if everyone congregates to using one over the other, it makes the other choice obsolete and the one doesn't become optional. Its obviously not to the same degree but its a point and its been made.

That is a perfect example, I agree. A superior system will always effectively replace an inferior system, and both "AH v. MW" and "global chat v. shout" are shining examples of this.