Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

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Your popularity argument has nothing to do with the topic, this isn't a debate about FFXI's popularity VS ARR's popularity it's a debate about bringing back some Xi related content for the player base which seeks this gameplay and have enjoyed it for more 10 years+. Those who argue FFXI wasn't successful are not stating facts.

You and others have made the statement that this game is "too similar to WoW," and that it should be "more similar to XI." But WoW is a much more popular game, and XI has never enjoyed the success that WoW has (or brought in the kind of money WoW has). My point about the popularity of each game is valid - because there is no reason whatsoever for SE to scrap a model that is currently making the money hand over fist to a far, far less popular model, which is what you seem to be advocating for.

promises about future content were already broken thats why I'm here talking about it.

Citation needed.

It's not WoW, I never said it's WoW, how ever the fact is it's progression is still entirely built around similar and in some cases the same ideas WoW has used and other games like it used. Not much about it remains different to other MMO's.

So when you said, " we never wanted the game to become world of warcraft we played Final Fantasy because we wanted something different," you were just joking? The entire crux of the arguments in this thread have been, "FFXIV is too similar to WoW" or "FFXIV is a WoW-clone." But you are trying to claim now that it's not WoW? I mean, seriously, pick one. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

0.0 I never said ARR has become world of warcraft, infact I said just because it has similarities to wow doesn't make it WoW-2. That means I don't think it's WoW-2 wtf are you on about exactly? Please stop exaggerating and twisting things your clearly the one being illogical here but thats ok I am not trying to convince you of anything because you clearly can't see this from any other side other than your own.

You just now said that, but I guess when you said, "we never wanted the game to become world of warcraft we played Final Fantasy because we wanted something different," you were just confused.

No shit, tell me something I don't know, it doesn't make what I said any less true those were the two best games at the time and I chose XI coz I actually disliked and still dislike WoW. Final Fantasy was my choice and thats what I still want to play Final Fantasy, not World Of Wart-assy.

Rift and SWTOR have both exceeded the popularity of XI, as well. I still don't see why SE should return to a model that makes it far less money. It makes no business sense.

If you didn't notice the drop in subs yourself then you weren't paying much attention to detail. Discover it for yourself, I just personally know many people who quit for this reason and there are plenty of people bitching about it on the internet. I've even seen alot of people unsubed on these very forums for reasons related to the new content.

You can't base subscription numbers off your own personal observations. First, you don't actually know that people you stopped noticing cancelled their subscriptions - you are assuming that they did, but they very well may have left their subscriptions in place. Second, you don't even know that they stopped playing at all. They may be playing at times that don't mesh with yours, or with people who aren't your people, or in areas you don't go in. There's literally no way for you to know. Finally, you do not know what the subscription numbers are like overall. No one does - because we're not SE and we don't have access to that information. It doesn't matter how many people you personally know who quit, because that's just an anecdote. What matters is what the actual numbers are, and you don't have access to that information and are, as a result, talking out of your backside.

What exactly is the point in the conflicting opinions you have when you don't even attempt to be constructive about it?

What's constructive about, "This isn't the game that I really loved a long while ago, and it should be that game because I don't like how "WoW-like" this game I'm currently paying for is. Make it more like the game I quit to come play this one"???? Because I'm not seeing a lot of constructive thought in any of your posts.

If it was done in a way that dosn't effect the casual gamer what exactly do you have against that?

While I do speak up for the casual gamer quite a bit, I haven't been a casual gamer in a long time. I care because I don't want to deal with that kind of grindfest. It would utterly kill my interest in this game.

I also don't believe that anything you're proposing (at least, what little I could figure out you were proposing beyond "make this game XI") could actually be put in place without affecting the majority of players.