Look what just happened in Duty !

[HeroSamson]

Its getting bad lately, a lot of hot headed players who think they are better than someone else.
Happen in titan hard mode a few minutes ago Boedakka Flockaflame guy starts complaining about me keeping hate but starts firing his tp bow shots before I can even get control over titan.

I tried to explain how I needed hate build and no one else uses TP moves so we can get limit break bar to level 1 before first jump so we can have two bars to break the heart, he starts calling me names noob and stupid.

We killed the heart he is complaining that the prison wasn't broke and he died got mad and called everyone noob.

its getting pretty sad when someone takes the game super serious and can't have fun and stay to the plan.

but seriously it makes me laugh like how these people think this is a huge deal and like their real life is impacted by failure in a game haha I laugh so hard.

[Elim]

Not that I condone this behaviour(I have not kicked anyone thus far, or agreed to kick someone even if they were bad), but I'd like a link to where it says you cannot kick someone due to the inability to play their role. If someone wipes a raid over and over and over because they don't or can't play their role, wouldn't they be considered a griefer?

Sure people can choose to leave instead of vote to kick, but why is it OK that this one person gets to ruin everyone's run? Just curious.

[Peptaru]

because they don't or can't play their role, wouldn't they be considered a griefer?

You summed up the difference in your own question. Someone who can't play their role is someone who is trying and should be helped, and if you are not feeling charitable (not you personally Elim) then you can say "yeah... sorry, but i'm out. gonna requeue."

The person who doesn't, or worse yet, refuses to (as would need to be the case to say doesn't) is the person who knows what to do, and is capable of it, but simply won't. Intentionally being fail to ruin other people's days or to be carried is griefing.

One is unintentional, the other is some a-hole. It boils down to the same stuff that makes so many systems suck out loud. . . How can you know what the other person can do, or is thinking? How do you prove they're griefing and don't just genuinely suck? That's the wall griefers hide behind and I wish we could tear it down.

[OnpuSegawa]

Observation: As the bard in question put up more DPS in that kill that is highly unlikely although plausible. However, six attempts were made with the WAR that was kicked and he had the same hate problems for all 6 of them.



Observation: Party finder groups on Sargatanas tend towards being worse than DF PUGs. This one did not decide on the skill of one individual the unanimous consent of the other 7 members did.

Man do you always type like a friggin robot?

[EdwinLi]

Well I kind of expect this with the kick system. There will always be someone trying to find little excuse to kick someone or to blame someone else for their own problem.

Still only time I would kick someone is if they intentionally play bad rather than just not knowing what to do.

The one and only time I had to use a Kick vote on someone was when a Tank my group had keep getting our group killed because he completely ignored all mobs attacking us in the dungeon. There is a difference between being bad at keeping aggro and intentionally not keeping aggro at all and this tank was intentionally did not keep aggro on these monster and let them run crazy on the entire group kill us.

At this point I had to kick him since he did not responed to any comments we made and he would constantly run into mobs and target only 1 of the mobs while letting the other mobs go crazy on us.

[Nysneirdre]

I think its rather interesting a citation was requested a couple times where SE stated you could not vote kick someone for poor performance and not one person has provided it yet. I am also starting to understand why there are so many bad players in this game.

[ispano]

I think its rather interesting a citation was requested a couple times where SE stated you could not vote kick someone for poor performance and not one person has provided it yet. I am also starting to understand why there are so many bad players in this game.

Because it's considering griefing. You may not think it is, your majority may not either. But it doesn't matter if you do, it matters if SE does. The policy on harassment, and this applied to Kick harassment too, is open ended. They don't want to punish someone potentially innocent and that's going to apply to the players as well.

This all boils down to players using DF and wanting to set their own rules. DF isn't the place for that.

[MikoteAstra]

Not that I condone this behaviour(I have not kicked anyone thus far, or agreed to kick someone even if they were bad), but I'd like a link to where it says you cannot kick someone due to the inability to play their role. If someone wipes a raid over and over and over because they don't or can't play their role, wouldn't they be considered a griefer?

Sure people can choose to leave instead of vote to kick, but why is it OK that this one person gets to ruin everyone's run? Just curious.

Look a the live letters where they speak about the vote kick system or look at the letters from the producer, if you are intersted enough you will find them! And why should they be considered a griefer for such reasons !Not all people are good, not all have best skill and they need practise. How will you get better with your job if they keep kicking you of dns how will you feel about it ! Instead of kicking him out why not giving him advice and try to improve his skills together. Then again im saiyng he was not bad he was good tanker.
Its a Duty Finder, you choose it to play with random people, people with different skills and gear and udnerstanding of the game....there is now Party Finder where you can make one play with people with witch you want. And befor patch 2,1 with no party finder you could still make party and invite your type of people in it !

I simply got no words when people do such thing like the once in the the dn i was, i really hope i never see them again !

[Xayoc]

Man do you always type like a friggin robot?

Objection: This one does not type like a robot, it simple works diligently to make sure that its points are very clear.

Look a the live letters where they speak about the vote kick system or look at the letters from the producer, if you are intersted enough you will find them! And why should they be considered a griefer for such reasons !Not all people are good, not all have best skill and they need practise. How will you get better with your job if they keep kicking you of dns how will you feel about it ! Instead of kicking him out why not giving him advice and try to improve his skills together. Then again im saiyng he was not bad he was good tanker.
Its a Duty Finder, you choose it to play with random people, people with different skills and gear and udnerstanding of the game....there is now Party Finder where you can make one play with people with witch you want. And befor patch 2,1 with no party finder you could still make party and invite your type of people in it !

I simply got no words when people do such thing like the once in the the dn i was, i really hope i never see them again !

Observation: The prudent course of action would be to get the practice and not become upset when the majority of a group wishes to finish the content, not wipe again and again at said content until time runs out.

[Arragomis]

Players who are absent for extended periods or harass others can now be democratically expelled from the party.

* 4 hours must elapse since your last successful use of vote dismiss before you can initiate another. (revised 12/18/2013)
* You will be required to select a reason for dismissal. Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act.
* Please wait at least five minutes before using Vote Dismiss on a player who has logged out.

It says then in 2.1 patch notes. It states that is used to report those who are afk, offline or Harassing. THAT IS IT. It doest not give you an option to kick people based on play skill in the menu, or gear score in the menu does it? THIS IS ABUSING THE FEATURE! IT IS NOT ALLOWED!