Look what just happened in Duty !

[Zuellni]

Wow. I hope I never run into some of you people in game. Many of you who advocate kicking people for underperforming sound like the same people who used to advocate that people with disabilities be sterilized for their shortcomings believing it to be for the "good of the many". It's sad that this is what the FF community has degraded to; people with absolutely no compassion and sympathy for their fellows.

It's a fact that different people learn in different ways and different paces. Some people simply will not understand their class or the game mechanics simpky by reading or watching videos without having attemptedthe content first hand. If you have no tolerance for playing with people that have a slower learning curve, why are you using a random matching system that doesn't allow you to control or screen player ability?
It's not as if there aren't systems in place like the Party Finder where you can set ground rules and standards prior to attempting content.

Needless to say, I have and will continue reporting people who abuse the votekick system for their own selfish gains just as the OP has done and hope more people will do the same. And hopefully this will help reduce the number of unsavory personailties in our community, even if temporarily.

[Abriael]

Wow. I hope I never run into some of you people in game. Many of you who advocate kicking people for underperforming sound like the same people who used to advocate that people with disabilities be sterilized for their shortcomings believing it to be for the "good of the many". It's sad that this is what the FF community has degraded to; people with absolutely no compassion and sympathy for their fellows.

What is sad is seeing someone making absolutely unfitting comparisons between kicking someone out of a group in a game and causing severe and irreversible physical harm. By the way, "slower learning curve" is a big overstatement. If by level 50 you're unable to play your class decently, it's not just a matter of slow learning curve. It's normally a matter of laziness.

What is "unsavory" is seeing people justify and encourage lack of responsibility towards your group mates and respect for their game time, no matter if you met them randomly. It's really pretty simple: by playing a tank, you accept the responsibility that the party revolves around you. If you're not able or willing to perform that task at an acceptable level, you WILL make everyone's time miserable, and in that case you deserve the contempt.

No one's born learned, and that's why you go with friends that know of your ineptitude beforehand to learn, instead of imposing said ineptitude on strangers, often wasting 90 minutes of their time with a timeout. Not everyone has several hours to play a day, and wasting 90 minutes of someone's time is not a small deal.

And mind you. I'm a tank, so I apply the same concept to myself. If you ever see me underperform in a dungeon feel free to vote kick me. I guarantee I won't go complains in the forum about it.

[Zuellni]

What is sad is seeing someone making absolutely unfitting comparisons between kicking someone out of a group in a game and causing severe and irreversible physical harm.

You're right, kicking someone doesn't physically harm them, but in both cases, whether kicking someone for under-performing or sterilizing someone because you believe their genetics flawed, you are effectively ostracizing them from a group of which they belong because they don't hold up to your standards. And yes, like it or not, people who may not be as capable at their jobs are part of our FF community just as people with low tolerance of failure unfortunately are.

By the way, "slower learning curve" is a big overstatement. If by level 50 you're unable to play your class decently, it's not just a matter of slow learning curve. It's normally a matter of laziness.

Your accusation of people being too lazy to learn their jobs is indicative of someone who may not have had the opportunity to work with enough people from different health and societal backgrounds. Having worked with both children and adults with special needs as well as people in situations that do not support a steady and enriching learning environment, I can tell you for a fact that these people, whom someone in your position would assume are lazy, are always the ones that try the hardest and put in the most effort when given the opportunity, and while many do improve quickly given the proper environment, there are also those that take longer and require alternative methods to fully grasp the material. It's people that jump to conclusions without putting themselves in others shoes that push some of these good people into giving up their efforts for self-improvement.

With such a large number of players, I'm sure there are a variety of people from that play this game from different backgrounds and life situations. I think our community simply needs to remember that perhaps Duty Finder and Duty Roulette are all that some people have to learn and clear content, and it's these types of people that the two systems were designed for. Duty Finder and Duty Roulette simply are not the the place for seeking your "one and done" or "one death and kick" parties, and there is a better system called Party Finder for that where if the group isn't up to your standards, you may simply leave without penalty.

[Abriael]

You're right, kicking someone doesn't physically harm them, but in both cases, whether kicking someone for under-performing or sterilizing someone because you believe their genetics flawed, you are effectively ostracizing them from a group of which they belong because they don't hold up to your standards. And yes, like it or not, people who may not be as capable at their jobs are part of our FF community just as people with low tolerance of failure unfortunately are.

Being "Part of the FF community" does not necessarily mean that they need to be part of any specific party. Your argument is still unfitting, and comparing causing permanent physical damage to simply not caring to play with someone is a grossly hyperbolic comparison that voids your post of any significance and validity.

Your accusation of people being too lazy to learn their jobs is indicative of someone who may not have had the opportunity to work with enough people from different health and societal backgrounds. Having worked with both children and adults with special needs as well as people in situations that do not support a steady and enriching learning environment, I can tell you for a fact that these people, whom someone in your position would assume are lazy, are always the ones that try the hardest and put in the most effort when given the opportunity, and while many do improve quickly given the proper environment, there are also those that take longer and require alternative methods to fully grasp the material. It's people that jump to conclusions without putting themselves in others shoes that push some of these good people into giving up their efforts for self-improvement.

With such a large number of players, I'm sure there are a variety of people from that play this game from different backgrounds and life situations. I think our community simply needs to remember that perhaps Duty Finder and Duty Roulette are all that some people have to learn and clear content, and it's these types of people that the two systems were designed for. Duty Finder and Duty Roulette simply are not the the place for seeking your "one and done" or "one death and kick" parties, and there is a better system called Party Finder for that where if the group isn't up to your standards, you may simply leave without penalty.

Assuming that someone bad at his job in the game has "special needs" is a bit ridiculous. Most of those people simply didn't care to learn, or to make an effort. You're actually right on one thing: people with special needs normally put more effort in what they do, which is why they'll most of the time be quite good at a relatively easy game like Final Fantasy XIV, and won't get kicked from any party. I know quite a few myself.

If duty roulette and duty finder are all you have to learn content, then it's not a matter of "special needs." it's a matter of refusal to socialize. And if you do that in a MMORPG, then you're playing the wrong kind of game. Mind you, even if you really hate socializing, there are plenty guides, written or video, for every single encounter in the game, and for every single role. Refusing to learn from those isn't a matter of "special needs." It's a matter of lazyness and expecting complete strangers to just carry you.

Ultimately, if you know you have actual, relevant problems that prevent you from playing a pivotal role like a tank in a way that doesn't cause you to make other people's time miserable, then you should just know your limits and play a role that you can cope with effectively. In Final Fantasy XIV there are plenty jobs that don't require as much coordination/focus as tanking. If you play a tank, whose role you know to be the pivotal fulcrum of the party, you have to take responsibility for that choice and make sure you don't ruin everyone else's gameplay experience.

If you can't do that, don't play a tank. It's really that simple.

[Kyoskai]

Help. People. Get. Better.
Noobs don't wipe parties, people who don't wanna learn/teach do.

[Abriael]

Help. People. Get. Better.

People can help themselves get better. I *personally* don't mind helping, but I won't bat an eyelash if I see some unwilling to waste 90 minutes of their time to help "get better" a complete stranger that obviously didn't care to help himself or ask his friends (that know of his ineptitude and go in prepared for it) before hitting the duty finder at level 50.

If someone doesn't know the basics of his class and hasn't learned them in 50 levels, chances are he won't learn them in the middle of a duty finder dungeon from complete strangers. It means he has been unwilling to make the slightest effort before, and that's not something I discount or justify.

Noobs don't wipe parties, people who don't wanna learn/teach do.

If you're a "Noob" after 50 levels of game, you won't wanna learn and didn't make any effort to. Final Fantasy XIV is not, in any shape or form, a difficult or challenging game. Almost no MMORPG is.

[indira]

if he entered the fight then its good enough gear. you didnt have any reason to kick that person.

[Haruka-Akemi]

Ilv make ppl stupid lol